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Why a poor Southern city's only hope was a Chinese company moving ...

已有 47 次阅读2017-1-17 15:24 |个人分类:中国

A grim bargain

Once a weakness, low-skilled workers who get paid little have become the Deep South’s strength





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A REGION LEFT BEHIND: LOST OPPORTUNITY IN THE DEEP SOUTH. Second in a series.
Read Part 1: An opportunity gamed away
Read Part 3: A grim bargain
Read Part 4: A lonely road

Above: Jadareous Davis puts on his cap and gown in a classroom at Ruleville Central High School in Ruleville, Miss., before the graduation ceremony in May. Davis and other graduates of poor-performing schools in Deep South states often find themselves hunting for low-paying jobs.


That’s when James Deshler decided he had to go see it for himself.

A REGION LEFT BEHIND: LOST OPPORTUNITY IN THE DEEP SOUTH. Third in a series.
Read Part 1: An opportunity gamed away
Read Part 2: Graduating, but to what?
Read Part 4: A lonely road

So one Friday night, after finishing his shift at the roadside quick mart that his family owned, Deshler told his girlfriend and two buddies to pile into his Crown Victoria, and they turned on the high beams and found the dirt beginnings of the best new opportunity in Wilcox County in a half-century. Here, tractors and bulldozers were making way for a quarter-mile-long copper plant that would be owned and run by a Chinese company lured to the area with a massive package of state and local tax breaks. Five hundred people would have jobs, and Alabama’s government called the project a “catalyst” that would “lift the fortunes” in a county where 1 in 5 workers could not get a job. Deshler scanned the site, snapping a few dark photos of the machinery. Though he could see his breath, he stood there for five minutes.

Above: A truck passes through what amounts to downtown Sunny South, Ala. State and local officials lobbied to convince the Chinese-owned Golden Dragon, one of the world’s largest makers of coils for air conditioners, to move a factory to Wilcox County, where jobs were desperately needed. The plant now employs about 200 workers with some mixed results.

“A blessing,” Deshler remembers saying. “This place is going to be a blessing.”

Two years later, Deshler, 29, looks back on that moment as a time when it was still easy to believe that his life, like his home town,was about to change markedly for the better. He hadn’t yet started working at the copper plant at a wage nearly half of what he was expecting while saving coins so he could buy an engagement ring at Wal-Mart. He hadn’t yet watched his bank account dwindle below $10, falling back on his father for help. And he hadn’t yet started wondering if the Chinese flag towering in the employee parking lot in fact said something about the cost of economic progress not just in this southwest corner of Alabama but across the Deep South, a region that has increasingly enticed foreign companies with the prospect of lavish tax breaks, plentiful land and cheap American labor.

“I look up at that flag,” Deshler says now, “and, man, I think about shooting a flaming arrow into it.”

Deshler’s frustration reflects the desperate steps being taken in a part of America simply trying to survive economically. In wide swaths of the Deep South, public schools struggle, turning out workers who lack basic skills. Agricultural work has long faded, while job opportunities in once-prosperous industries such as textiles and timber have been lost to cheaper options in Latin America or automation at home. Politicians say they must give freebies to lure companies here, or offer nothing at all and watch the region — which already lags behind the rest of the country on most measures of well-being — fall even further behind.

But in some cases, when opportunity arrives, it highlights a grim bargain: Jobs come at great cost but offer only a slightly better version of a hard life. The region’s weaknesses — a low-skill workforce that doesn’t expect particularly high wages — become its competitive strengths. And suddenly, the only opportunity for somebody such as Deshler becomes a Chinese company looking for a place from which to do more business in the United States.

Golden Dragon Precise Copper Tube Group, which is based in Xinxiang, China, and is one of the world’s largest makers of coils for air conditioners, announced its arrival with blue and gold “Now hiring” posters pinned across southwestern Alabama in libraries and event halls. Deshler had been waiting for a job much like this one. Five years ago, he moved back in with his parents and enrolled in a machinist program at the only community college in the area, using his savings from a job in Montgomery for tuition. He figured he would raise his earning power.

Instead, he found himself stuck. He spent long shifts at the family’s struggling quick mart, a place his grandmother had bought in the 1970s when it was the only liquor store for miles. Deshler worked the counter and ordered gasoline and sold barbecue and Bud. He split a minimum-wage salary with his brother, taking in $3.70 per hour.

And that’s when he noticed the new trucks hauling by. Deshler applied online, as did 4,500 others, and he was among the first to get hired. He started at the copper plant on March 12, 2014, two months before the ribbon-cutting, and that morning he snapped a photo of himself as he headed into the factory. “GD Copper,” his orange hard hat said, and Deshler — 6-foot-10, with red, curly hair — wore a plaid shirt and safety goggles.

“First day on it!” he wrote on Facebook, where he shared the photo.

“No more dollar menu for this guy,” a friend commented. “He’s gonna upgrade to the combo meals! LoL”


James Deshler, with his wife, Lauren, started working at the plant two months before the ribbon-cutting and often lives paycheck to paycheck. Two years later, the 29-year-old father looks back on that moment as a time when it was still easy to believe that his life, like his home town, was about to change markedly for the better. || Sue Thomas had no industrial experience before coming to Golden Dragon. She has since been trained to use a variety of power tools and now builds pallets from scratch to transport large copper coils. || A couple of miles from Golden Dragon, Rooster's Road House Grill has seen an increase in business since the factory opened.

wilcox County sits in the center of Alabama’s Black Belt, a swath of dark-soiled farmland that over the previous decades had been drained of its economic blood: first with the mechanization of agricultural jobs, then with an exodus of people, finally with the shuttering of factories and mills. In a county that is 70 percent black, the historical inequities have dovetailed with a more modern inability to adapt economically. Between 2000 and 2010, Wilcox lost 30 percent of its jobs and 25 percent of its businesses. Its unemployment rate went from 8.7 percent to 26.3 percent.

By the time Wilcox turned to China, the median household scraped by with $23,000 per year, according to Census Bureau data, an income level almost half of the state average and 15th lowest among the 3,144 U.S. counties. Job applications from the area were riddled with basic errors, said Joy Norsworthy, head of the local employment center. Many didn’t know to capitalize sentences.

“The lack of education is severe,” Norsworthy said, “and I’m comfortable using that term.”

Wilcox had a rail line, but broad sections of the county lacked sewage, water, even cellphone service. There was no day-care center, no public transportation. The main town, Camden, was a grid of treeless streets where discount stores advertised in their windows that they accepted food stamps.

“The entire county is back in the Dark Ages,” said Jim Emerson, a board member at the Wilcox Chamber of Commerce.

In this case, Golden Dragon — or GD Copper, as it would call the U.S.-based arm — started looking for a place to build a factory in the United States after it was slapped with tariffs in 2010. A U.S.-based consultant, Raymond Cheng, who specializes in Chinese business opportunities, encouraged the company to solicit multiple bidders.

“You really need to go to the South,” Cheng recalled saying in one phone conversation with the chairman of Golden Dragon, Li Changjie. “You need a lot of land. You need cheap labor. You need to establish in friendly ground.”

Over several months in early 2011, giant three-ring binders arrived regularly at a law office used by Cheng’s company, each one touting available real estate, low utility prices, easy highway access, laws that weren’t friendly to organized labor. In total, five states and 62 towns submitted bids.

To help push the deal, Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley (R) dined with Li. Company executives visiting the region were greeted with imported Chinese tea and Mandarin video messages. Alabama’s state workforce team explained how, if chosen for the job, they would visit Golden Dragon’s Chinese headquarters, study the process, and make videos and training courses for the new U.S. employees. In Alabama, Golden Dragon wouldn’t pay taxes for 20 years; it would get free roads and land.

Alabama also did something no other state was willing to try: Its legislature passed the “Made in Alabama” act, a tailored law that allowed the state to reimburse Golden Dragon for several prior years of tariffs. A version of the law had first been drafted by Cheng and a lawyer, according to Cheng and a lawmaker who sponsored the bill.

Ultimately, the company was given the choice of the reimbursements or an extra $20 million in cash. Golden Dragon chose the cash.

What went wrong with the Deep South?

Five states in the South are much worse off on economic and social measures than the majority of the country. 
Here’s how the region compares, broken down by county.

labelsstatessouthdata

MALE LIFE EXPECTANCY, BY COUNTY

Worst fifth  (64 to 72 years)

Middle fifth

Best fifth  (77 to 82 years)

The region is home to some of the lowest life expectancies for both men and women. In many counties of the Mississippi Delta, the average male dies before 70.

Source: Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, University of Washington

All told, according to interviews and documents reviewed by The Washington Post, Golden Dragon received subsidies worth some $200 million — the bulk of it in local and state tax abatements, plus the cash, $5 million in land and road costs and nearly $2 million in worker training. County leaders say they had little choice: They had spent years trying to lure companies, reaching out unsuccessfully to more than 100. Even Golden Dragon only settled on Wilcox after a site in a neighboring county proved too small.

“When your hand is in the lion’s mouth, you act accordingly,” said John Moton Jr., the chairman of the county commission. “We have the highest unemployment rate in the state. Our hand was in the lion’s mouth.”

Though many states recruit businesses with tax incentives, states in the Deep South pioneered the practice and remain aggressive users of the tool, pitching not just tax breaks but low costs and anemic union participation. The strategy has both payoffs and potential downsides. Mercedes, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Airbus and Boeing now have plants in the Deep South, providing tens of thousands of sturdy middle-class jobs. But while those high-profile plants attract much of the attention, experts say tax breaks often are used for the many companies offering lower-wage work.

In South Carolina, several thousand people work for newly relocated Chinese companies, including textile plants that have been lured by subsidies to depressed areas. Some companies have also resorted to using temporary workers. Nissan, which by some estimates was given more than $1 billion to open shop in Canton, Miss., depends heavily on a staffing company where advertised jobs start at $12 per hour.

Politicians and industrial recruiters in the region portray the new jobs as transformational, capable of lifting families out of poverty and narrowing the divide between whites and blacks. Bentley said in an interview that his state’s deals “pay for themselves” within four years, by driving new jobs and new spending. His and other state offices declined to provide data supporting that claim and instead sent to The Post a single-page document with numbers from six particular projects.

“It contributes to a stream of continuous income,” Bentley said.

Still, some regional experts and economic analysts say the strategy amounts to a flawed attempt at a quick fix that surrenders a source of much-needed tax dollars that could be used for spending on education, health, and infrastructure. “It’s a vicious cycle, because poorer states spend less on the things that would allow them to be less poor in the long run,” said Wesley Tharpe, a senior policy analyst at the left-leaning Georgia Budget and Policy Institute.

Golden Dragon’s main allure has been its willingness to bring on people without experience, with nothing more than a high school diploma. Shortly after the plant began hiring, in early 2014, it became a landing spot for some of the region’s most needy. A woman who had previously commuted two hours every day for a $7.75-per-hour job at a corn dog factory. A couple with five children that had roamed the country for years, filling in anywhere manufacturers were on strike. A single mother who had worked back-to-back eight-hour fast food shifts, rising every day at 3 a.m.

Golden Dragon’s chairman, Li, said in a phone interview that the quality of workers in Wilcox “is not very good.” The company’s head of human resources, K.C. Pang, said wages are based on market value and skill set, and were determined after discussions with state officials. Pang also said that roughly half of those who apply are rejected because of felonies or failed drug tests.

“Realize, if these workers could get a job at the paper mill,” Pang said, referring to one of the last major sources of jobs in the town, “don’t you think they’d be there?”

The average worker at Golden Dragon, among the 200 that have so far been hired, makes $13 per hour. The company says it offers generous and regular raises.

Deshler started at $11.


Bits and pieces of copper tubes are bundled and then melted for recycling as furnace operator Kenny Autrey looks on. Golden Dragon’s main allure has been its willingness to bring on people without prior experience. || Rosheen Hunt, left, and Ongula Perkins work on large copper tube coils that will be wrapped and shipped out. Like many in the most impoverished corner of Alabama, Perkins had to work two low-paying jobs before landing steady employment at Golden Dragon. || Chinese nationals and local residents work side by side in the Golden Dragon factory. State and local officials lured the company to the area with a massive package of state and local tax breaks.

unlike the majority at Golden Dragon, Deshler had manufacturing experience. Straight out of high school in 2004, he got a job at Hyundai in Montgomery. He started at $17 per hour and ended up at $25 five years later. He bought Ralph Lauren polos and American Eagle blue jeans and a big truck. The lone downsides were the noise and rush of the city, which drove him crazy. For 208 weekends in a row, he fled Montgomery for Wilcox, where to relax he drove around at dusk looking for deer. He knew good jobs were easier to find outside rural areas, but figured this would be a compromise: He left Hyundai and began school at the community college in Clarke County, which neighbors Wilcox. He graduated in 2011 as a certified machinist.

Although he was relieved to have a job after years at the quick mart, Deshler felt he was overqualified and underpaid. Several months into the job, he applied for a promotion. He would go from operating a machine — “sitting down, pushing 30 buttons,” as he called it — to operating an entire machine shop, a crucial position in which you make the tools that keep the factory humming. Deshler had long wanted to be a machinist: He had used tools going back as far as his teenage years, when he fixed the family Jeep Cherokee, the one his dad had used for 360,000 miles while delivering mail on rickety back roads.

The day Golden Dragon managers told Deshler he had won the promotion, in the early summer of 2014, his dad, James II, rushed to the supermarket to buy ribs and pork and sweet tea, and everybody gathered in the back yard. Deshler figured the new position would help him pivot back toward independence: He talked with his girlfriend, Lauren, about buying a home and where they might live. Deshler hadn’t pinned down his exact raise, but he guessed it would be big — maybe $16 per hour, up from $11. The average machinist in Alabama makes $19 per hour.

And then, when Deshler checked his pay stub several days later, waking up to check the deposit on his smartphone, almost nothing had changed.

He thought it was a mistake. The company said it wasn’t. He was now making $11.75 per hour.

“It was like taking a big bite of lemon,” Deshler said.

Now Deshler wondered how any job at Golden Dragon could lead toward the middle class. He started looking differently at the factory, noticing its quirks, resenting its features: The several dozen Chinese engineers who helped supervise the plant couldn’t speak English and lived in modular trailers on the factory grounds. The awkwardly translated Chinese slogans touting work ethic. (“One Quality escape erases All the good you have done in the past.”) The oil spills that sat on the floor; the minor injuries that piled up. Maybe, he wondered, this was why his father had long cursed Chinese-made tools, always the low-budget option at Lowe’s.

Only this time, it was his life unfolding on the cheap. Deshler bought a $22,000 home on the foreclosure market, spent weeks yanking out the roach-infested interior, then months more rebuilding it by hand. He moved in with Lauren and her son because the couple were expecting a child. They got married at a courthouse, without a honeymoon. Even when Deshler’s salary finally climbed to $14.50 an hour earlier this year — the result of meeting performance goals — it didn’t cover a mortgage, insurance, light bills, baby food.

“Literally, going to Dairy Queen is a mini-vacation,” Deshler said. “And if that’s a mini-vacation, what am I supposed to do if I have bald tires?”

“I feel for him,” James II said. “He might as well be working at Wal-Mart.”

In the many weeks when money hit zero, they fell back on Deshler’s father, who sometimes seemed to be the one person holding the family together. Deshler had only been able to buy the modest home — and the materials for the rebuild — with help from his dad. James II had dropped out of high school, then spent four years in the Navy, six years in the Coast Guard and almost 20 years with the Postal Service. He had a night job, too: He took classes. First he earned a GED. Then a bachelor’s degree. And finally, a law degree, for which he drove four hours round trip to Montgomery, coming home at 1 a.m. He quit the post office in 2008, on the same day he graduated from law school. He now billed clients $250 per hour and talked jokingly about starting a little “family dynasty” of wealth.

Deshler sometimes wondered what lesson to make of his dad’s adult life. Was it proof that intense work pays off? Or used to pay off? He went back and forth.

“I still believe I can do what my dad did,” Deshler said. “I have to believe that a job with $40,000 or $50,000 isn’t out of reach.”

Deshler applied for some other positions and was tempted by an Australian shipbuilding company in Mobile. But the work was two hours away, and pay started at $14 an hour.


Many Chinese nationals work and live on the factory grounds. One night they had a party to celebrate the coming of fall. || The company offers language classes since most of the Chinese nationals who come here to work don't speak English. Though many U.S. states recruit businesses with tax incentives, states in the Deep South pioneered the practice and remain aggressive users of the tool. || The huge Golden Dragon facility has housing units on the factory grounds for the Chinese workers. The average worker so far makes $13 per hour.

one night in the summer of 2014, Deshler got off work, called his wife from the car and said he wasn’t coming home just yet. He drove, instead, to his dad’s law office, which held the only functional computer Deshler had access to. He pulled up Google on the browser and looked for what he called “only the most legitimate sites” — official releases, newspaper articles.

For the next hour, he scrolled through the back story of his company. Here was the state’s commerce secretary in 2012, saying wages would average “$15 to $17” per hour. Here was the governor touting Golden Dragon in his biggest speech of 2014, saying fresh hope was coming to “disadvantaged areas.”

Deshler called his dad.

“Our government, they sold us down the river,” Deshler said. “They can go to hell.” His dad asked Deshler if he wanted to quit.

Instead, Deshler did something else. He started talking at work to Joseph Boykins, a fast-talking shift worker — “almost a televangelist type,” Deshler said — who had been trying for weeks to drum up interest in a union. Unions in the South were far less common than in the rest of the nation, and Deshler’s dad had always said that unions weren’t worth the trouble.

But now Deshler sidled up to Boykins and said he was in. In the coming weeks, Deshler pulled aside colleagues at the factory, telling them a union could improve their benefits and pay. Golden Dragon, in turn, spawned a campaign to convince workers that unions weren’t necessary.

Deshler’s viewpoint represented only about half the workforce. Others, including many who came from unemployment or minimum wage jobs, felt thankful for Golden Dragon and said they had no interest in disrupting the factory’s work.

“For the first time, I can go out and have a steak,” said Sue Thomas, 50, whose children are grown and who left a job in a neighboring county at a sewing plant and now makes $16 per hour at Golden Dragon.

Days before the vote, Bentley wrote a letter to Golden Dragon employees, saying that unionizing could have a “negative impact on your community by discouraging other companies from locating there.”

On Nov. 7, 2014, workers decided, 75 to 74, to form a union.

Hours later, Deshler and Boykins wandered out of the factory and toward the employee parking lot. They shared a hug. But they had expected a landslide, and neither could quite shake the feeling that the moment felt like something less than a victory. If Golden Dragon had catalyzed anything in Wilcox, it was a division over how to feel about the opportunity they had.

“Nobody wants to go back to less than nothing,” Boykins said.

“Nobody wants to work a damn job that pays them for the rest of their life like they were cutting grass in high school,” Deshler said.

Nothing changed quickly in the next year; it wasn’t until October that contract negotiations even started. Deshler did what he could to make Golden Dragon just a portion of his life. He turned himself into a homebody. Supper and bath time were the evening routine. He tried to be reliable at work: “No ass-kissing, but come in five minutes early and leave 10 minutes late.” He tried to think less about money, because the stress of it was riling up an old back injury and he refused to pay for painkillers.

But then, there were some mornings, like a Thursday in September, when he awoke with $1.15 left in his bank account, a gas tank needle pushing below “E” and 24 hours until the next paycheck.

“A royal pain,” Deshler said.

It had happened more than a half-dozen times already, this gas tank roulette, and Deshler knew the gauge well enough to know how it would end. He just barely made it to work. He spent eight hours at the factory. And just before heading home, he called his dad to meet him at a Phillips 66 gas station. Deshler’s car was already waiting at the pump when James II pulled up, lowering his window and passing over a debit card.

“Our little drug deal,” Deshler said, jokingly.

They chatted for a few minutes while Deshler half-filled his tank, using $20.

“Appreciate it,” Deshler said, and he handed back the card. Deshler said he was heading home for dinner. James II said he was returning to his law office.

Then, they drove off in different directions.

Xu Jing in Beijing contributed to this report.

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1005 Comments

Dawn L Fenton
12/29/2015 8:10 PM EST
Proud of you for supporting and organizing a Union. We need more young people to not be afraid and stand up for your rights!! Too many people are afraid. Educate them about their rights and continue to stand up and fight. You will go far. Good luck.
Bin Wang
12/15/2015 9:55 AM EST
James. It is mind boggling to me where you assign blame in this situation. Do not forget that "Made in China" became ubiquitous because Western companies have been abusing cheap Chinese labor for years. China pollutes itself to satisfy the world's demand for cheap goods. Don't hate the player. Hate the game. And the game here is one set up by your conservative GOP which the South continually lines behind on issues like guns, abortion, religion which also is staunchly anti Union, anti education, and anti minimum wage. Those were the rules and the Chinese simply 
Said OK, we'll play. But don't blame us for playing to win. And you are caught in the crossfire. James, do not forget your standard of living is first of all still better than 99% of the world. But yeah if you feel like you've been given a raw deal, look first to your politicians and think to yourself are they really for the little man, folks like you in rural Alabama? Or are you being bamboozled into voting for interests which are decidedly against you. The GOP elite will paint you as something who isn't trying hard enough because they hate handouts. But being pro Union isn't a handout because your dad is a lawyer and you still feel bad about taking gas off him. You are no leech brother. You are the backbone and pride of America. But you are being taken from a ride because you are southern and can't fathom voting for a democrat. It is time to wake up and smell the coffee. And figure out for yourself which politicians are really for the little guy and which are not.
Bin Wang
12/15/2015 10:12 AM EST
As a Chinese American I am straight out flabbergasted at the extent you have been brainwashed and I do not use the term lightly into straight hating the "communist Chinese." Beijing feeds 20% of the world and has elevated a middle class now being courted by shops and tourist venues worldwide. Shanghai manages to make midtown Manhattan look modest. Just as Alan Jackson songs to Yankees about the south ain't as backwards as it used to be, the Chinese have come a long way. It is simply unfair to blame them for being shrewd business people. The west used to simply take in Africa back in the colonialist era. The Chinese go in and do business. Build infrastructure. Can you then blame the Africa countries for thinking gee Beijing is giving me a squarer deal? What is happening to you in your corner of Alabama is exactly what is happening on a much larger level when republicans tell you that the key to stimulate growth is to slash taxes giving the wealthy more job creation power. That's a lie and nothing more than a race to the bottom James and you should know it because you are living it. It ain't the player that's your problem. The Chinese are just playing the game your politicians set up for them to play. Hate the game.
Meral Palmer
12/14/2015 10:05 PM EST
It amazes me that the most economically depressed areas in the country constantly elect politicians who deprive them of education for them and their children, decent wages and health care. The Republicans keep their foot on these peoples neck, and tell to be proud of the rugged individualism while consistentlyrics selling them out.
reporter1
12/28/2015 4:13 PM EST
The GOP counts on people to vote against their best interests---and, sure enough, they do..
kpizza
12/10/2015 5:03 PM EST
Why do people in these circumstances keep having kids? One would think that they would realize that if they can't take care of themselves they're not able to care for kids, too.
James Deshler
12/14/2015 10:38 AM EST
What a laughable, narrow minded view of the situation. There has never been an issue with caring for the children but if we had to rely solely on this "project of hope"(GD Copper) it would be hard. The story mainly depicts the false praise of these jobs that are supposed to "save the south" but pay poverty wages.. There is a strong wind of ignorance blowing from the north on the actual state of the south. There are great jobs here just not Communist Chinese ones falsely implied on us.
ed white
12/6/2015 8:07 AM EST
Been south a while now and believe it will never change . It's in southern culture , drink, screw, shoot guns. It don't get no better . Schools are horrible because of cuts by state . And since Civil Rights were voted in the working people stopped being democrats and just gave there lives over to RED state politics. Don't understand their disregard for a better future for their kids. They are so beaten down they don't even know it .
THMEEPHD
12/4/2015 10:26 PM EST
Alabama (Governor and Leadership) still has a plantation mentality which influences even the working class to a fear driven mentality . At some point the working class in Alabama will tire of being under Pharaoh's hand.
James Deshler
12/4/2015 11:20 PM EST [Edited]
It is unfortunate, the companies anti-union campaign was nearly successful hence scaring our 97% support down to 51%.. The question I continue to hear is that if the union is so good then why did you guys only win by one vote? Well when they force you into 80+ hours of pro company meeting after meeting then threaten anyone suspected of pro union activity it makes a BIG difference
Carefor People
12/6/2015 12:25 PM EST
It's also true that in Southern Rural areas, many of the people have been taught to suspect, fear, or dismiss unions. My dad worked labor all his life, and I can remember his sentiments on Unions, stuff he was taught by his bosses: that unions were corrupt and money went to union bosses who would embezzle it; that unions caused wages to fall, or caused workers to lose jobs and allowed cretins to remain employed, that unions caused companies to close. The biggest complaint aside from corruption was that unions allowed workers to "be lazy." It's no wonder that, like Alabama, our Southern state was (and is) "Right to Work." 
 
Why are company bosses and owners afraid of unions? They know unions give workers a voice and power in the process of determining what is a fair wage, and help protect worker rights in issues like overtime, job injury, etc. They do their best to bring out every flaw unions have ever had, plus insinuate or make up a lot more stuff, so workers won't unionize.
Sue Thomas
12/4/2015 7:06 PM EST
WHY DO YOU HAVE MY PICTURE ON THIS WRIGHT UP PLEASE TAKE ME OF AND DONT NEVER ASK ME TO TAKE NO MORE PICTURE WHERE EVER U SEE ME AT SO TAKE ME OF PLEASE I DONT LIKE THAT ITS WRONG
Tony Klimas
12/24/2015 11:22 AM EST
You look good! (but I don't care for having my picture taken either so I certainly understand)
Cynthia L Gomez
1/9/2016 4:02 PM EST
Sue: I get that it's no fun to see a picture of yourself posted without permission. It sounds like the photographer didn't ask your permission when he/she took the picture? 
However: 
1) Posting a comment on the article's web site will do nothing for your particular problem. Make a phone call to the Post's main operator/receptionist and calmly ask who to talk to you until you get the correct person. 
2) Writing in all caps is LIKE SHOUTING. Please don't shout. 
3) Also, sentences have periods at the end. Writing without periods at the end of your sentence is like talkingnonstopwithoutstoppingtotakeabreath. It's very easy for someone to dismiss whatever you say when you talk like that.
LiberalAtheist
12/3/2015 10:33 AM EST
So you're saying governments now need to PAY corporations to entice them to set up shop there. The race to the bottom just intensified. Money is king. Bow down before those who have money.
James Deshler
12/4/2015 11:24 PM EST
That is correct, 300million dollars of Alabamans tax dollars to be exact. Now imagine the economic boost had that money being given to a domestic company..
xplnt
2/28/2016 1:10 PM EST
The majority of this $300 million (if it's accurate) would come in the form of tax relief, which the state wouldn't have had to begin with.
Carefor People
12/6/2015 12:42 PM EST
When looking for answers, always follow the money; see who benefited from what was done. 
 
I researched the issues in Anniston, AL with the Monsanto chemical plant that pumped deadly chemicals into a local creek and the nearby water and environment for decades. Monsanto (they've since renamed, shuffled, and "officially" sold off that company, which they did when it was all about to hit the fan publicly) actively suppressed their own tester's results that showed a cage of bluegill turned belly-up and dead with boils on their skin within 10 second of immersion in that creek near the waste line. The reports and court case shows a slew of Alabama state inspectors and agencies and local govt. colluded with the company to give them passing grade inspections, suppress revelation of the deadly pollution, etc. 
 
Money trails tell you who to hold accountable and why. They can also teach you on *how* something was done, so you can try to pass laws to prevent its repeat, and they tell you what kind of politicians *not* to elect. You want true public servants who care about the common people, not those who are in bed with big financial interests who've been proven by their own actions to be predators on the common people's lives and livelihoods.
scrim1
12/3/2015 8:54 AM EST
Apparently it is the Steelworkers that organized Golden Dragon. The union's name should have been in the story.
James Deshler
12/4/2015 11:26 PM EST
Yes we are organizing with the USW.. Amazing group of people to say the least!
Carefor People
12/6/2015 12:43 PM EST
Are you also getting help from AFSCME?
ducdebrabant
12/3/2015 7:52 AM EST
What IS the Deep South, if it isn't its people? What business does the Deep South have HAVING a "strength" consisting of wage slaves? This reminds me of the slavery era, when slave owners could boast of involuntary servitude as part of their economic "engine." I'm glad these people have jobs, but I despise the region's weddedness to underfunded education and prehistoric ideology and regressive taxation and poor public services. The Chinese are heavily invested in Africa too, because its raw materials are a "strength." But they bring in their own workers, and have little use for (or opportunity to offer) local workers there.
James Deshler
12/4/2015 11:30 PM EST [Edited]
Sheer disgust comes to mind when you have the BIG promise of economic and geographic stimulation then all it leads too on Friday is counting pennies at the grocery market on Friday.. Not looking for pitty here, thats just how it is. The cherry on top is our elected officials telling us that we should just go to work and be happy with what we are getting.
Carefor People
12/6/2015 12:53 PM EST
I was raised on the idea of "Honest Work for Honest Pay," and honest pay meant at the very minimum something you could actually live on without resorting to govt. aid, and in an environment where honest hard work could move you up the ladder to better pay and more time and funds for your family. 
 
This is the core of the worker/employer agreement, and it's been gradually degraded over the past few decades as Labor rights have been whittled down by court cases (often supported by the Nat. Chamber of Commerce), by corrupt state legislatures and governors, by agendas (like in Wisconsin) to destroy unions, and by a long term misinformation campaign to not only discredit unions, but also to indoctrinate workers with the idea that they are powerless, that asking for honest pay is "asking for a handout," that honest pay will "make companies lose money so they have to do layoffs or close down." 
 
Yet when you look at the money, it tells a different story: corporate execs pulling down huge salaries and benefits, profits being put into stock market rather than reinvested in the company, larger companies and investment firms buying companies to use them as losses, close them down, and making a profit going and coming (as Bain capital often did). 
 
See next post, continued.
Carefor People
12/6/2015 1:04 PM EST
Cont.: 
The common policy was to buy a plant, run it into the ground, call it a loss and close it, and open a new manufacturing plant overseas where labor was cheaper and had no real protections. The U.S. used to have manufactured goods as our #1 export---now it's raw materials. 
 
Phase 1 was to drain these plants and move operations overseas. This created a labor glut on the employment market. Predictable competition for the few remaining jobs meant that desperate employees would accept lower wages, wouldn't fight attacks on labor protections effectively, wouldn't unionize or strike effectively, and in general would become ground down. 
 
Phase 2 is starting to kick in: Now that the average American (not just in blue collar but in many other jobs too) has been ground down, has learned to see their neighbor as competition for that vital job rather than teammates in fighting for better, they're starting to bring in foreign manufacturing (or even American) where the companies have similar wage-slave workers as abroad. State officials often don't care because they're lining their pockets in the process, through their own companies, through campaign contributions, through employment-after-office offers, and/or through outright bribery and/or investment in company stocks, etc. 
 
We are in the end-game of all this. If we, the American people, don't stand up on our hind legs and fight this, vote in people like Bernie Sanders who are dedicated to our rights, and work together (no matter our race or gender) to get more honest public servants elected to change the laws that allowed all this, we're sunk. They fear us uniting, so they continue trying to divide us. We have GOT to take back our power by voting in good people and participating in the system, and by getting unions to help us stand up to them. We can do this. Honest pay for honest work, and no devaluing said work or workers.
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Greg Harris
12/26/2015 9:27 AM EST
I admire your courage and convictions, James. It's sad that the battle for basic living wages is so uphill, and that gov't rewards the exploiters.
Gantal
12/3/2015 5:31 AM EST
Maybe we need to hire some Chinese government consultants to show us how to develop poor regions. They've proven to be experts at it.
James Deshler
12/4/2015 11:32 PM EST
Very considerable!
dormand
12/3/2015 1:00 AM EST
Little progress will be seen in the Deep South or any other underperforming area until the educational processes can be brought up to the competence level. 
 
In manufacturing environments, errors and mistakes drive up costs to incredible levels and if confidence is lost by customers, there is always competition that is willing to do things right. 
 
These backwoods areas should find the most effective individuals possible to improve the quality of their schools so that students' abilities can blossom and thus offer competent workers to the world's employers. 
 
Cheap labor is meaningless when mistakes lose you your best customer.
Carefor People
12/6/2015 1:32 PM EST
I disagree with your last statement. This is ALL about profit. When "shoddy" is all that's available, people get conditioned to shoddy. Look at Walmart, Hobby Lobby, and other chain store corporations that for decades have been buying cheap labor products from wage slave producers in China, India, and other countries that lack labor protections: they've made enormous profits selling cheap (or often ill-made or weak) products. Most of their customers are people who face ever-tightening budgets. People in general have become conditioned to the idea of products that are cheap, poorly-made, break down after a couple years (and thus have to be replaced), etc. 
 
In the end these policies are ruinous, but Corporate America never looks at the long term; ever-mounting quick profits are their standard. We are fast approaching a return to feudalism, where the (corporate) nobility class owns nearly all the resources, the remaining tiny middle class is there to provide them with the small amount of superior services and goods they need... and the rest are serfs whose lives are considered valueless and easily replaceable, and whose sole function is to labor at worse than a hand-to-mouth existence, labor that squeezes the product from all the lands, crops, and businesses the elite own. 
 
We have to turn this around. We're near the end of the process, but we can still take back our power if we will work together, fight to educate ourselves and our children, and become active participants in our governing system. Nationwide strikes and protests may help, but the most important part is running caring, informed people for office and then voting them INTO office, and supporting afterward the changes they make to laws that allow this predation to exist. 
 
Education IS vital... but some of the best you can get now is by doing legitimate research on the internet, seeking out good sources (like the Zinn Education Project), reading reports, etc.
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Carefor People
12/6/2015 1:54 PM EST
Improving the education schools offer isn't enough; we also have to teach people *why* education is vital to *them* in *their* lives. 
 
For a long time there's been a subtle campaign of anti-intellectualism that scorned those with higher education, especially academics. Many have been taught to think that "homework ends when you get out of school"---they see learning as rote activity you are forced to do by the state, to learn mostly useless things in order to get a piece of paper (diploma) that is supposed to make you more worthy in the job market but often doesn't. 
 
In this environment, people don't understand the value to *them* of learning things, of seeking out more and better information, of doing some work to keep up with what's going on, learn from history, learn how to identify honest and factual sources of information. They don't see how this helps them, so they don't bother to do it. 
 
If we want to improve education, it's not just about the schools---it's about finding ways to tell and to *show* people that doing "homework"---researching, learning, growing---is vital to their lives and their children's lives, that it can help them change their lives and the world for the better, that it has VALUE. 
 
The typical school system is designed to make learning seem like drudgery, and most of it useless. Learning for testing is just making that worse. We need to reconnect learning to lives, and not just tell but also *show*.
Firstcav46
12/3/2015 12:56 AM EST
I have some special insight on this story since I was born and raised in Sunny South, leaving for college after graduating from nearby Pine Hill High School in 1964. My parents left shortly afterwards and moved to Montgomery for improved economic reasons. However, I still have ties to the area -- relatives on both sides of my family -- and I inherited a small tract of pine forest with a nice fish pond. My family members are buried in the Sunny South Cemetery with eyeshot of the old store and post office displayed on the wash post website. I'm now retired, but I had a 30-year career in journalism, most of it with United Press International (UPI).* Obviously, this story was an attention-grabber for me. I don't visit Sunny South often, but the last time I did, I did observe the county road that was destroyed during construction of the plant that has not been repaired. I was grateful to the reporter that he got the dateline of this story correct. No Alabama reporter has ever visited Sunny South. In Montgomery, Birmingham or Mobile, when writing about the Chinese copper plant in Wilcox County, they have assigned datelines ranging from Pine Hill (close, but incorrect) to Thomasville (also close, but in another county). One final note, my first cousin was the beneficiary of a very handsome home and several hundred acres of land next to a lot where my grandmother's house sat on the road that the copper plant now faces. The Chinese company paid my first-cousin $1 million for the house and the very nice piece of property he inherited from family. My little piece of property lies about 1 !/2 miles -- as the crow flies -- from the copper plant. But I'm content to grow pine trees and go fishing.
Carefor People
12/6/2015 12:32 PM EST
By the way, one reason state governments "unpaved" a bunch of roads was cost: a paved road costs more to maintain than a dirt or gravel road. In part this was in response to the recession from the housing crash, but a big reason is that our GOP-led Congress has consistently refused to fund national infrastructure for some time... which is why some areas are seeing bridges collapsing, etc. 
 
To a rural person, an unpaved road means that your local/state govt. doesn't care enough about you and your neighbors to pave it. I grew up on a dirt road. We asked for years to get it paved. We felt dismissed, that we were considered "back of the boonies" and "not worth it." Breathing the dust and dirt kicked up during hot dry summers was not fun, nor was the coating of dirt that would make its way *inside* your car. Jouncing ruts and potholes weren't fun to ride over, either.
phoenixden
12/2/2015 10:50 PM EST
The Shoeless white boys of the South died in the hundreds of thousands so the rich plantation owners could enslaves blacks. Now Johnie Reb joins southern blacks as the South's modern slaves.
TheHillman
12/3/2015 6:16 AM EST
Interesting historical context. 
 
There's a lot of validity to what you say.
James Deshler II
12/2/2015 9:58 PM EST
Great job Chico and team. Chico it was a pleasure talking to you. You are very good reporter as evidenced by this story. I must have missed the 20 million dollars given to the Chinese communists for tariff (Punishment) refunds. Instead of Alabama forward spending 250 million PLUS(?) subsidies building the Goldman Sachs associated GD copper plant the government could have refunded (A local TARP program) 22,500 dollars to every man woman and child in Wilcox County. But seriously they should have helped Wolverine tube and Copper open shop here in Wilcox County. They were allowed to go out of business in their Alabama Copper coil plant without help.http://blog.al.com/followingthemoney/2007/11/wolve... It is disquieting to have the World Bank's red dawn Chicoms behind my house especially when the then communist party boss “President” Changjie Li states in local media that we “Are the enemy”? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-30/... Ooh, by the way while the GD Copper Chicoms got a multi-million dollar interstate railroad bypass the lifelong residents of Wilcox County on Leroy Randolph road (The community road the GD Copper used to build the plant) got a paved road pulverized to dirt and left that way to this day. I drive it frequently and can testify that the community received a negative benefit here.
Carefor People
12/7/2015 10:13 PM EST
Imagine where your county would be today if instead of giving this Chinese company $20 million to come there, they'd taken that same money and helped residents buy and re-open the old copper facility there as an employee-owned company. I'm sure you still have plenty of residents who worked at the old facility who could have been brought in to work it and to train new workers. In several places around the country, people who lost jobs when corporations closed their local manufacturing plant and moved it overseas, have taken over the facilities and started employee-owned companies... and from what I've read, they do very well. People have a personal investment in *making* them do well, and they achieve it. 
 
It just kills me that the AL govt. didn't do this. Your people deserved better.
FrankCurry
12/2/2015 9:28 PM EST
This article made a strange choice when they chose their protagonist. He was making very good money coming out of high school, with little training. Then got a certification, but then moved back home were there are no jobs. I am sorry, but he should have stayed in Montgomery where the jobs are. He would be doing ok.
Carefor People
12/7/2015 10:08 PM EST [Edited]
You missed the point entirely: the protagonist was mainly a vehicle to illustrate how bad things have become for people in this county and countless other rural counties like it around this country. He put a human face and situation on the problem, because for a lot of readers, they pay more attention and identify better with a person's story than with statistics and information that show how badly things are going for blue collar workers. 
 
The point is not, "this fellow should have stayed where the jobs are," it's "there are places where people are trying to survive with practically NO jobs, because trade agreements and deregulation let companies move those jobs to wage-slave countries so they could make a bigger profit." 
 
Of course, this story is also about state govt. corruption and the influx of foreign companies who *expect* wage-slave labor conditions here now. If we don't turn this around, we may start seeing industrial plants like some in China, where workers are "housed" at the facility and end up working behind barred windows (the bars are there to try to prevent employee suicides from jumping out said windows). 
 
It boggles the mind that Alabama PAID this company to open there, when they'd previously had an American company there that did the same thing. Imagine what the area might be like if, instead of giving millions to this Chinese company to come here, the state govt. had put that money into helping residents re-open the old facility as an employee-owned company.
Stephen W. Ramsden
12/16/2015 7:52 AM EST
so, it's James's fault...got it, Donald Trump.
WilcoxCounty
12/2/2015 9:20 PM EST
The previous large scale economic development project in Wilcox County, MacMillan Bloedel, was financed with tax free municipal bonds issued by the Town of Camden. When those bonds were issued in the 1960's it was the largest municipal bond issue in US history.  
 
Fast forward today and places like Wilcox County can only compete for economic development projects is by giving direct subsidies or tax abatement which essentially means plants get built for free.
wendyfromboulder
12/2/2015 8:52 PM EST
One simple, low-cost thing that these states could do to help their poorest citizens would be to sign up for expanded federal Medicaid. But the governors of all five states would rather fulminate against Obama and the voters accept that.
Carefor People
12/7/2015 9:58 PM EST
Absolutely! People are dying because in their states, the cutoff for Medicaid is still around $5k income per year---make more than that and you can't get it. It still boggles my mind that these governors turned this down, when the feds were going to cover nearly all of the costs on it for the first 5 years. 
 
I live in one of these Red states where our governor turned it and the ACA down. As a result, insurance companies have had freer rein to up our co-pays and deductibles and premiums. We've had several hospitals have to close, because they weren't getting full Medicaid funding. Our healthcare system here is worse than ever, thanks to our governor and state GOP trying to make voting mileage out of an irrational hatred of "Obamacare." 
 
The thing that really infuriates me is that, when opponents to the ACA were polled, and were asked "Do you approve of ______" followed by each main provision of the ACA, they approved of all or nearly all the provisions. But when they were told "Well, that's Obamacare," most of them jumped immediately into anger and refusal to believe it. The misinformation campaign the GOP put out about the ACA has done incredible damage to the health of millions. 
 
If they were REAL, old-fashioned Republican politicians, they would have sat down *with* the plan's creators and worked through it all so that it did the best job possible. Instead, they did their best to screw it up, insisting on things that would make it worse, and not helping to catch any problems (I think if they saw the problems, they deliberately left them in there). Then they made up lies about it and sold them to the public. It's shameful. What we really need is a cost-controlled single-payer system in which EVERYONE can get medical care; it's cheaper in the long run as well as the right, humane thing to do.
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Alabamian54
12/2/2015 8:06 PM EST
Several more comments: First, unions in the South only happen when management has done a poor job, not because your father or grandfather was in a union. GD Copper apparently did a poor job of management, and they got what they deserved. I am not a fan of the Chinese. 
 
Second, I am amused by all the commenters who use an article like this to bash the South. They don't have a clue what the South is like today. Much of the South is at the sweet spot where good wages, good climate, and reasonable-cost-of-living all converge. More Fortune 500 headquarters are now located in the South than any other region of the country. Keep griping about the South and shoveling snow, and we'll see your kids when they enroll at the University of Alabama and Georgia.
Alabamian54
12/2/2015 7:51 PM EST
Several comments: First, anytime you use an example from the poorest county in the entire US (according to the 2012 US census), it's dangerous to make conclusions about the entire South, like your subhead did "“Once a weakness, low-skilled workers who get paid little have become the Deep South’s strength." It's even dangerous to make conclusions about Alabama from Alabama Black Belt examples, because they are such a small part of the state. The total population of all the Alabama Black Belt counties is less than Jefferson County, Alabama. 
 
Third, I followed the GD Copper project and never thought it was a good deal, but the poorest county in the US doesn't have many options. 
 
Fourth, there is some contributory negligence here. Your story says the main character left a much better paying job to move back to his rural home. If you move to the middle of the Sahara Desert, don't expect to land a high-paying job. Wilcox County has only 11,000 people and less than 13 people per square mile. What can you do with such density? If the article photo is accurate, the subject of your story is smoking a cigarette (expensive habit) and driving an extended cab Ford F150 (gas guzzler), yet he complains about lack of money for gas. He buys a home (probably stupid at his age and income level) and moves in with his pregnant girlfriend. 
 
Fifth, if people from South America, Central America and Mexico can immigrate thousands of miles to the US for a better life, surely people in the Black Belt can move a hundred miles or so for a much better life. I can assure you that a certified machinist in the Birmingham-Tuscaloosa area, where Mercedes and Honda are located, can have a good life. Also In Mobile, where Airbus is located. 
James Deshler
12/4/2015 11:38 PM EST [Edited]
Your literary incompitance is astounding!  
 
First 
Your comparison of the population is skewed due to the geographical size of the black belt compared to its inhabitants 
 
Second 
You skipped that one so is it safe to assume you count 1345? 
 
Third 
I can slightly agree I have never been comfortable with a Chinese facility in our back yard  
 
Fourth 
There are 6+ mills within a 50 mile radius that pay 25$+ an hour plus. You are blatantly uneducated in the area. You go on to prove my point of the "density" of the black belt compared to the population. You also prove that you didn't take time to read the story fully to understand that I drive a crown victoria. (Maybe there werent enough pictures for you) Hardly stupid that I have achieved the credit to purchase my second house by 29 wouldn't you say?  
 
Fifth 
Your unknowing of our geographical business layout showed more of your lack of studying into the facts before you came here with a finger happy comment you little thumb warrior.  
 
Carefor People
12/7/2015 10:43 PM EST
I'm getting really tired of these "well move somewhere else for a better life" comments. 
 
1. If you're poor or working-class poor, how are you going to amass the money to pay for a move, when you're barely covering essentials? Moving is expensive. You not only have to rent a truck (no one poor can afford van lines to move stuff for them) and pay for the gas for it, you also have to have money in advance for first and last month's rent at whatever apartment you get for your move, money in advance to open utilities, and other expenses that are related to moving. 
 
2. The "move to a better place" argument basically writes off an area. What you're really saying is, "If your home area sucks for jobs and living, move away and let it rot by itself." So all those people who live there who *can't* "move away" should just die off under rotten conditions, right? 
 
It's funny how so many people are fans of "urban renewal," where governments and businesses work to make an urban area more attractive to new residents and new business/companies... but no one ever thinks rural poor areas are worth having the same thing done there. It's like they think rural is *supposed* to be poor, to be deficit in education, to lose jobs and businesses and not complain. 
 
I'll tell you a secret: rural areas are full of people willing to work hard, people willing to stand by and care about each other (even if they don't always like each other). They are filled with people who believe in a good work ethic, and the idea of "honest work for honest pay." 
 
Rural poor areas are one of the most untapped resources for workers and production in this country right now, and a major place where we could turn things around and improve the lives of many. Rural may be less well-paid than suburban or urban, but it is not supposed to be that rural = poor. 
 
We don't need to turn rural areas into huge industrial parks; just to bring in some business and good education, and get them on their feet. They'll do the rest.
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Rjammy
12/2/2015 7:31 PM EST
Golden Dragon’s chairman, Li, said in a phone interview that the quality of workers in Wilcox “is not very good. 
 
That's what you get when you look for the low bidder.
Jemfle
12/2/2015 6:53 PM EST
The Rublican blueprint for the nation's future. Sounds delightful. Kowtow to China and bring in jobs that more or less replicate those at Mickey D's. Hey, it works for the 1%.
baltic
12/2/2015 6:08 PM EST
Sad tale, but China is as always taking advantage of a situation, any situation! Why not OUR government consider re-structuring the corporate tax rate and perhaps thus OUR companies will bring their overseas capital back and put Americans to work at a good-paying job?
cleophis
12/2/2015 7:06 PM EST
Well paid jobs for unskilled uneducated workers is long past and never coming back regardless of what any government does. Globalization means capital flows to the lowest cost country. Labour costs are the main incentives to off-shore jobs.
Carefor People
12/7/2015 10:54 PM EST
I strongly disagree. Here's a radical idea for you: 
 
We change laws and trade agreements so that it's more costly to companies to move or run their manufacturing overseas, and less costly to just suck it up and follow labor laws and pay and do it here. Any company that decides they're going to "become a foreign company" instead by moving their operations/HQ to a foreign company FORFEITS their facilities here. Period. Govt. takes it over (nationalization) and offers it for an employee takeover as an employee owned and run facility. 
 
I'm TIRED of multinational corporations running the world (and this country!) like they're spoiled rich kids in a candy store, saying "I'll take one of these, and one of these," etc. It doesn't have to be this way. 
 
The U.S.'s #1 export *used* to be manufactured goods---now it's raw materials. That's how far we've fallen. 
 
But---who said exports are the only way to be successful? How about instead we concentrate on manufacturing, growing crops, etc. for our *own* use first, and only looking to exports for selling the excess? Why is it that nearly every product on our shelves is made in China, India, Polynesia, or some other place where said products were made with wage-slave labor? Simple: it's because trade agreements, deregulation, and tax laws allowed these corporations to make greater profit in moving manufacturing to those countries, wiping out countless jobs HERE. If they won't keep the jobs here, kick them out. Let them "take their toys and go home" somewhere else. 
 
If you think this won't work, you underestimate the fighting spirit and work ethic of the average American. Trust me---we would kick butt at this, and re-learn about caring about each other, and working toward a common goal, in the process.
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Carefor People
12/7/2015 11:03 PM EST
Oh and a couple of other goodies we need to do: 
 
1. Cap executive pay grades. Work out some system where we figure it based off of company productivity and the lowest paid employee salary and the average salary at the company, so that the big bosses get paid not more than a certain percentage... for instance, most people think a CEO making 7x the amount of the lowest paid employee is fair... when actually their pay is nearly 350x that amount, on average. 
 
2. Get rid of tax laws that allow corporations and wealthy individuals and financials to use off shore tax havens. We lose trillions of dollars every year to this practice. 
 
3. Quit subsidizing successful industries. Fossil fuels, Big Ag, and companies like GE rake in millions or even billions via subsidies. 
 
4. Raise the minimum wage. This needs to be done with care and certain compensation for small businesses (like Mom and Pop operations that are barely getting by---perhaps tax credits for them), but companies like Walmart should NOT be using govt. food and housing aid programs as part of their employee pay, which they do: they refuse to pay a living wage and *actively* point their desperate employees at govt. aid... all while the Walton heirs rake in millions and billions, and are among the richest individuals in the country. 
 
5. Break up the big banks and monopolies like Comcast and Time Warner. The latter two pretend they're competing to avoid monopoly laws, but they don't compete with each other at all: they divided the country and each take part of it. They're congruent monopolies. 
 
There's a few other things that need doing (i.e. medical/pharmaceutical/healthcare, repairing infrastructure) but I'm running out of word count *again*. 
 
We CAN turn this country around, if we take back control of it. We've got to, and we've got to elect people who will help us do it, people like Sanders and Warren and some others. We need people participating in the system again.
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ADNova
12/2/2015 5:38 PM EST
Anyone that thinks these problems will magically go away by someone flipping a different lever at a ballot box is deluding themselves and clearly hasn't traveled around many northeastern cities.
BlueinTX
12/2/2015 5:33 PM EST
I feel very bad for the situation these people are in, but these are Red States, so they are now living the lives they keep voting for.
FrankCurry
12/2/2015 7:50 PM EST
Things are the same in most of the Northeast, outside of the cities, and those are solidly blue states.
renatastar
12/2/2015 4:43 PM EST
The South still functions as an aristocratic entity. Wealthy whites would rather buy slaves than pay poor whites to work in their plantations. Bentley and the Southern elites sell their people down the river as naturally as they breath. They never cared about these people and they never will. I feel for the people who are going nowhere fast. 
choppy1
12/2/2015 3:57 PM EST
The problem isn't American companies going overseas to seek cheaper labor or Chinese companies coming to America and looking for cheap labor or states paying hundreds of millions to lure them. The problem is that working class people like Deshler, who are trying to do the right things, *are all on their own in a global labor market.* The government isn't building infrastructure to improve economic prospects. It's not ensuring people get paid a living wage. It's not paying for education and job training. It's not making necessities like health insurance more affordable. And when you propose that the government do these things, conservatives dismiss them as "handouts," say they're unaffordable (but we can afford to pay a down-market Chinese company $200 million), or they'll drive businesses and jobs away (but they're already gone; that's why Deshler is struggling).
Shaman
12/2/2015 4:06 PM EST
the government is paying for K-12 education and has been for generations. if people refuse to take full advantage of that, then they need to own it and stop whining. after K-12, community collages are affordable and offer evening courses that include job training. no one has the right to complain that they should have been dealt better cards - they only have the right to play the hell out of the cards they have been dealt.
Buddydog
12/2/2015 4:16 PM EST [Edited]
* colleges 
 
Also, sentences begin with a capital letter.
mcstowy
12/2/2015 4:17 PM EST
Governments in southern states provide the barest semblance of an education, then handicap their students further by falsifying science and history texts to meet their ideology. The southern states have never been able to figure out how to survive without slave labor..
emizzle
12/2/2015 4:21 PM EST
Deep south education and lifestyle is a sad bundle of cards to be dealt.... the adults in the community can't write or read, and are so blinded by racism even in 2015... so how in the world are their children ever going to do better? 
 
http://www.al.com/specialreport/birminghamnews/ind... 
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Buddydog
12/2/2015 3:54 PM EST
Donald Trump was right: our wages are too high if we want to compete in low-skill manufacturing with other countries. So we have two different options: investments in education to ensure we remain the world's #1 producer of high-value, high-skill manufacturing and technology that can't be easily replicated, or we race to the bottom, and try to bring back the outsourced jobs that are now done by Chinese, Bangladeshis and others around the world, with all of the living standards they enjoy. Trump has, at least, picked the path he prefers.
choppy1
12/2/2015 3:58 PM EST [Edited]
So you're saying that Deshler, who is scraping by on $14.50 a hour, is overpaid?
Buddydog
12/2/2015 4:00 PM EST
I'm not saying that; Trump's saying that. And this story illustrates exactly what he's talking about.
cleophis
12/2/2015 7:17 PM EST
That's about $29,000 per year, quite livable for a single person. He is making his life harder by marrying at such a young age and thereby supporting himself, a wife and two children on one paycheck; plus his inability or unwillingness to adjust to a larger community where the higher paying jobs are. He is making some of his own misery by his life choices.
choppy1
12/2/2015 4:03 PM EST
Democrats are the ones with plans to increase support for education. Trump and the Republicans are the ones with plans to reduce taxes on the wealthy.
Buddydog
12/2/2015 4:06 PM EST
Like I said, we have two options. The article is one example of taking one of those options. We'll see if voters prefer the other.
PresidentTwitterTwit
12/2/2015 3:53 PM EST
So the South is experiencing the Republican Dream. Cheap labor, an uneducated workforce, and crappy schools that lead to more of the same. 
 
You get what you vote for.
Cliom007
12/2/2015 3:52 PM EST
It would be interesting to try to figure out what else could have been done with the $200 million used to lure GD to Alabama. The state could just about have paid 500 workers the same hourly amount as GD is averaging ($11?) for 40 hrs per week, 50 weeks per year. Did GD actually hire 500 workers?
Buddydog
12/2/2015 4:00 PM EST [Edited]
Yes, the state is effectively paying the salaries of the workers at the plant for the company: about $400,000 per worker. At $15 bucks an hour, that pays the salaries of 500 people for about 10 years.
Carefor People
12/7/2015 11:11 PM EST
The better option would have been for the state to invest in the residents by helping them buy and re-open the old copper facility as an employee-owned company. It's been done before and works very well.
FXDWG
12/2/2015 3:43 PM EST
As far as schools go, you get out of it what you put into it. Hold students to a higher standard and they'll meet it.
Young Old Lady
12/2/2015 4:38 PM EST
Good teachers are key to learning, as is a good system for teaching. I cringe at what has happened to primary and secondary schooling in our public school systems.
beppski
12/2/2015 5:31 PM EST
States compete for good teachers and I doubt if good teachers would accept the salaries in the poorer counties.
Carefor People
12/7/2015 11:26 PM EST
Our education system needs a revamp: 
 
Better pay for teachers. 
 
Quit allocating money to schools by testing and quit pushing "learn to take tests" education. Push instead the idea of how learning helps you all your life, and get children invested in learning---parents, too. Teach the idea that you should *always* keep learning, researching what's going on the world, learning more about economy and government and health and science, etc. because IT AFFECTS YOUR LIFE AND THE LIVES OF YOUR KIDS. :D 
 
Quit letting the Texas school board determine what's in our textbooks. Set up a system where qualified and well-skilled college professors and K-12 teachers review the books for factual, comprehensive, and well-balanced education at age-appropriate levels. (I'd also involve the Zinn Project in history books.) 
 
Change allocation so that very upper-class neighborhoods don't get the biggest amount of local tax funds, as is the case right now. 
 
Institute programs for parent education and community involvement, both in the schools and with schools reaching out to do the latter---not just the kids, but also the school staffs. 
 
We also need better programs for community improvement and business, and programs that address domestic violence and abuse in families in a real way. Both of those things impact how a child learns---it's the rest of their world. 
 
For college education, first it should be free (as an investment in our future), and second, we need a new system to help graduates find jobs in their field or related fields. 
 
Basically, in parts of our country public ed does a very good job, and in other parts it does not. All these things I listed above are *some* of the factors that are having negative impact. There have been small programs that address one or more of these that show improvement in students, but none of them ever seem to get nationalized. 
 
Here's one: a school where kids watch lecture videos at home, and do homework in class where teacher is there to help.
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Carefor People
12/7/2015 11:36 PM EST
Continuing that last thought: 
 
That was the brainchild of a principal who noticed that families had a lot of stress helping their kids with homework. He realized that  
 
a) kids are more tired at the end of the day, with less energy and attention span for homework 
 
b) parents often struggle with helping their kids---some just weren't good students themselves, while others may have forgotten a lot, or that their kids are learning things in a method that they themselves don't understand (i.e. Common Core math). 
 
c) they found that the kids *did* devote more attention to (and liked better) watching video lectures, rather than doing homework. 
 
So he flipped the system: the teachers began recording the lectures they'd normally do in the classroom. The school set up access to these for the students to view at home. The kids watch the recorded lectures in the evening when normally they'd do homework, then the next day they do the homework that would have been assigned to that lecture. The teacher is right there, so that if a kid is having problems or needs to ask a question, the teacher can help them right away. 
 
The net result was that grades improved, the parents, kids, and teachers all loved it much more than the old way, and learning increased. 
 
So, it made a great "school interest" story. A few schools around the country (those that actually heard of it) have begun implementing it as well... but why isn't every school doing it? 
 
Perhaps because in some areas, certain interests want public schools to fail so they can push for charter/private schools. 
 
Perhaps because our education system is very much of a dinosaur, with a very large body and a lot of little brains (controlling systems) and not a lot of cohesion. 
 
Perhaps because those who should be spreading this information haven't been doing their jobs. 
 
Perhaps because we've allowed a lot of inertia to creep into education, and insisted on umpteen trials and reports and committees before we institute change.
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Buddydog
12/2/2015 3:42 PM EST
Good thing that $200 million in subsidies to Golden Dragon wasn't invested in the training and education of Alabama's citizens. Obviously, the problem would be much worse if they had a bunch of pointy-headed intellectuals around.
emizzle
12/2/2015 3:40 PM EST
Republican politicians SELL OUT their Southern, poor voters time and time again. They get the poor of the deep south to vote for them on dumbed down rhetoric that they can relate to that boils down to 1) blatant anti-foreigner and homophobic sentiment, 2) thinly veiled racism and sexism, 3) pro-guns, 4) anti-abortion, 5) pro-Church.... And time and time again poor Southerners vote for Republicans off this rhetoric because they think the GOP supports their simplistic, backwards, conservative way of life and most importantly oppose the undesirables non-whites, while not realizing that they are indeed an undesirable themselves in the grand scheme of the Republican party ... which is actually controlled by the 1% business elite, who cut the taxes for the rich, employ "trickle down economics", who could not care less about the impoverished or dis-enfranchised, who are often the poor Republican voters themselves......
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 3:43 PM EST
Yeah they really screwed their constituents by bringing in an manufacturing plant that would hire people with no experience. Oh and rebuilt the roads at the same time. Not having the plant would've been much better.
beppski
12/2/2015 5:36 PM EST
Somehow the money that the county gave away does not compute with what the citizens received. The best thing that these folks can do is leave for better paying jobs, but Mobile was too "noisy."
pdk601
12/2/2015 7:49 PM EST
The state rebuilt the roads for the company.
Carefor People
12/7/2015 11:44 PM EST [Edited]
They SAID that there USED to BE a copper manufacturing plant there that shut down---so instead of the state *paying* a foreign company to come in and offering them zero taxes, re-doing roads *just* for the company, and practically guaranteeing them a wage-slave labor force... what if the state had done something different: 
 
What if instead, the state had invested all that money in helping the locals buy out the old plant and refurbish it, helping them open it as an employee-owned company? I'm sure there were plenty of former employees of the old company there who could go back to work there and help train new hires. This has been done in other places and is quite successful, because the employees have a strong personal interest in making the company succeed. 
 
If the state had done this, AND had raised the quality of the local schools, the area would be a lot better off, the state would see increased prosperity in the area... and it would be moving *away* from a wage-slave status. 
 
The best answer as to why they didn't do this? Somewhere, one or many people in government made money off this deal.
105181825
12/2/2015 3:37 PM EST
Red states are churning out under-educated, unemployable followers of anyone promising to "make America great again." 
 
Trump is feeding off the misery of these folks. Shameful.
actually
12/2/2015 3:37 PM EST
It seems that the majority of commenters are not blaming Mr. Deshler and the ENTIRE white race for the situation he finds himself in. Interesting. There is something going on here that I can't quite put my finger on.
linerider
12/2/2015 3:35 PM EST
When I read about people all but starving in places like Wilcox County, Sam Kinison's comedy routine about world hunger came to mind. Instead of sending food trucks to the starving people shown on TV commercials he recommended U-Hauls and when they showed up in the barren country, with the driver hollering to the suffering, "Live where the food is. You live in a desert!"  
 
No difference between Sunny South and the Sudan. The "joke" still applies.  
Crickey
12/2/2015 3:26 PM EST
Let them drink macchiatos.
Lauren Kiracofe Deshler
12/2/2015 3:24 PM EST
While this may 'yank on people's heartstrings', it doesn't on mine. If you can't tell, much of this is based around me and my husband. We are not poor. Times are hard, yes, but that's no different than any other household in this county. But we are not poor. Yes, our house was nasty, but Jamie remodeled the entire thing with his own two hands, by himself. Jamie's father isn't the only one who has helped us from time to time; my family has also helped us. There's too much personal information here; and its a little embarrassing. 
 
The title of this article is misleading. That Chinese company that moved in is a disgrace. It was not Thomasville's only hope for financial survival. For those of you who don't know, the mayor even said that they should be glad they are receiving the wages they are working for. They were lied to.  
My husband is an extremely talented, smart man who deserves to be making $20+/hour. He has a degree. He has certifications. When I finish nursing school would someone expect me to settle for $10 or less an hour, with a degree? No.  
 
I'm going to stop while I'm ahead. But if you read this article, just know that it has been dramatized.
FXDWG
12/2/2015 3:40 PM EST
It's what we expect from the Post. God bless you and your family, you are doing what most of America does: the best that we can with what we have.
Buddydog
12/2/2015 3:43 PM EST
Thanks for sharing. Sorry the article misrepresented you guys. We've all (most of us) have been in tough spots. We make do and keep going.
blkbry
12/2/2015 3:57 PM EST
just keep singing "you can't scare me I'm sticking with the union", you deserve decent wages, med benefits, for you and your kids, and a defined benefit plan to retire on after your 65. I just hope those workers you work with know how to respect a picket line.
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EaglesPDX
12/2/2015 3:20 PM EST
These people overwhelming vote for GOP politicians who sell them out to foreign corporations. Democracy doesn't protect people from their own stupidity.  
 
Not providing a good public education, outlawing unions while giving tax breaks to Chinese corporations that the $10 an hour slave laborers have to make up in their tax bills. Not providing health care (turning down the billion$ to provide Medicaid to poor) while allowing people to go bankrupt when they get sick. 
 
But these are the choices the people on the deep South made...much of it the result of the inherent racism of the white majority in those states.
emizzle
12/2/2015 3:26 PM EST
http://www.al.com/specialreport/birminghamnews/ind... 
 
I learned today that this region of the country essentially still practices segregation. Of course the white republican don't want to raise taxes to afford better job opportunities or education, they have effectively refused to integrate and wouldn't want 1 cent of their dollar going to support someone or a community outside of their race.
Russell Leisenheimer
12/2/2015 3:17 PM EST
i'm been reading a lot of the late joe bageant's writing about the white underclass recently and he saw this coming from miles away
The Oinkster
12/2/2015 3:00 PM EST
Boy, it's got to be hard to "take back your country" on $8 an hour.
Carol_R
12/2/2015 2:59 PM EST [Edited]
So he had a better job but quit. Learning a trade is only good if you have an apprenticeship and are employed. He didn't do an apprenticeship. He was getting paid $25/hr in Montgomery, Alabama but quit that job. That was really a stupid move on his part.  
 
He's getting paid good money for that area (a lot more than working at Walmart and more than minimum wage) and was able to buy a house for $22,000. In this area that same house in the type of state that he bought his in would probably sell for $400,000 or more. The cost of living where he lives is practically nothing. He also could move to another area that had better employment.  
 
There really is no excuse for people there not knowing how to write at the level of a third grader. Any really why should he expect to be paid $30/hr for a no-skilled job when he lives in an area where the cost-of-living is practically nothing? And if seems that half those who applied were either felons and/or couldn't pass a simple drug test.  
 
If he wants to earn more, maybe he should follow his father's example and join the military and then go back to school.
FXDWG
12/2/2015 3:46 PM EST
We all make choices in life.
Scot Sims
12/2/2015 2:58 PM EST
The Chinese wanted peasants to work at low wages and the good ol' boys at the Republican Party served them to their new masters.  
Things might change if the citizens there would vote Progressive instead of the GOTP. They did it to themselves.
emizzle
12/2/2015 3:19 PM EST
This region of the country doesn't seem to value learning when most adults can't even capitalize the first letter of a sentence on a job application.
Brian Richard
12/2/2015 2:57 PM EST
Southern states like this have a lot to learn from the inner cities of blue states where there are universally low unemployment rates for low skilled workers. Sometimes lower than 20% even.
FrankCurry
12/2/2015 9:37 PM EST
Uh...20 percent is really high unemployment. I hope you are being sarcastic.
lane2125
12/2/2015 2:53 PM EST
Before you start believing things you read in Forbes, go to this site:  
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/median-annual... 
It lists all states by median annual income. 28 are above the U.S. median and the rest are below. Notice that ALL of the states that are below the US median annual income are red, while most of the states that are above the US median are blue (Texas is just above it).
Brian Richard
12/2/2015 2:56 PM EST
Cost of living is lower in red states. Much lower.
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 2:58 PM EST
Exactly - This data is meaningless unless indexed against cost of living.
Scot Sims
12/2/2015 3:10 PM EST
Nice platitude but so what? People can't even afford the low cost of living and the taxes I pay in the North subsidize you.
DC20015
12/2/2015 4:12 PM EST
So are the wages.
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 3:18 PM EST
You realize the median means the middle right. Meaning around half should be below the median. Cost of living isn't a platitude. When it costs half as much to live in Tennessee than it does to live in NY, MA or CA and you make 30% less you actually have a higher standard of living. Agree on subsidizing - to fix that income tax brackets should be indexed to cost of living.
Lilycat1
12/2/2015 3:21 PM EST [Edited]
Scot, there are plenty of people who do just fine. This little tale is a sob story that could probably do with more than a look at one side. As for subsidizing them; you do realize that there are a great many federal facilities; i.e., military bases that absorb much of the federal spending there. You worry about subsidizing the lie abouts in your back yard.
JudyJupiter
12/2/2015 2:42 PM EST
Is this the kind of deal that Trump will bring to the US? Low wages and all profits shipped off to China?
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 2:55 PM EST
It really stinks that guys wages went from $3.70/hour to $14.75/hour.
ex bubba
12/2/2015 2:59 PM EST
Quite the opposite according to Trump. 
Bjjca
12/2/2015 3:17 PM EST
Trump thinks workers are overpaid, yet the people in this state will vote for him.
Will Haig
12/2/2015 2:38 PM EST
well, these folks ain't sittin' 'round drinking wine, robbing liquor stores, cashing their girlfriend's ebt cards at walmart and shooting one another like our isis brothers are in chicago
Crickey
12/2/2015 2:39 PM EST
Rates of heroin usage are rising among whites, and then there's always crystal meth.
Cromag82
12/2/2015 2:40 PM EST
You've never been to West Virginia eh Scotch?
JudyJupiter
12/2/2015 2:41 PM EST
You know this how? Do you live there?
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Mr. Joe from Toledo
12/2/2015 2:37 PM EST
"In Alabama, Golden Dragon wouldn’t pay taxes for 20 years; it would get free roads and land." 
 
------------------------------- 
 
Before anyone gets on their liberal high-horse, let's not pretend this is some "red state" phenomenon. 
 
When NPR wanted to move into bigger headquarters a few years ago, it sat back and allowed the DC City Council and Silver Spring, MD duel it out over who was going to give NPR the biggest tax breaks for their new digs. 
 
Yes, NPR. That NPR. 
 
"the District granted $40 million in tax abatements and froze property taxes on the site for 20 years as part of a deal to keep NPR from moving out of the city." 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/npr... 
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 2:39 PM EST
All good state/city governments compete like this to bring in jobs. They make up the tax breaks in increased income tax collections and reductions in welfare.
sdavis9
12/2/2015 3:30 PM EST
Baloney. The tax breaks are a spiral to the bottom....
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 3:32 PM EST
OK how would you entice companies to relocate. Pretty please.... It's exactly my VA crushes MD in brining good companies and jobs in.
ZoolanderMathAcademy
12/2/2015 4:11 PM EST
Per the article, the company received $20million in cash to employ 200 workers at an average of $13/hour, or approx $27,000/year using a 40 hour workweek. Using Alabama state income tax rates, that equates to $1,312 in incremental tax revenue per worker, or $262,400/year for all 200 workers. It will take the state ~76 years to recoup that cash payment, assuming the other $180 million in tax breaks are offset by other revenue/entitlement savings generated by the plant. Yeah, that's a great deal for the taxpayers...
emizzle
12/2/2015 2:34 PM EST
http://www.al.com/specialreport/birminghamnews/ind... 
 
This region of the US literally still practices segregation. The public schools are all black and white families send their children to "white academies" that STILL EXIST and are remnants from the push back against the federal mandates to integrate. But the schools were never integrated..... So how can you expect people to work together of different races, who wont even raise their children in multi-racial environments? And then the cycle continues.
ex bubba
12/2/2015 3:03 PM EST
Major difference is evonomics plus higher standards for the kids in academies. If one has the money one may attend. DC privates sre no different. Rich is ricj - just green cream.
emizzle
12/2/2015 3:16 PM EST
DC privates are primarily white but not 100% white like these schools though, where it seems minorities are not even welcomed.
Cromag82
12/2/2015 2:33 PM EST
This is the GOP plan for the entire country. Robber Barrons and Serfs. Just the way they like it
Hanging Chad
12/2/2015 2:30 PM EST
Apropos, HuffPo employees are asking for union recognition. More than 200 have already signed union cards. No word from the divorced oil baron whether she will agree to their demands.
choppy1
12/2/2015 2:29 PM EST
I find Deshler admirable. It takes a lot to discourage him. He works hard, does his best to support his family. White working class people like Deshler vote better than 2 to 1 for Republicans. If they want something to change, why not vote for Democrats? Of course, that would mean acting [whisper it] like black folk.
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 2:34 PM EST
So what would the dems do differently? Not compete with 62 other cities to bring the plant in? I live in MD and we get killed by VA in attracting f500 companies. The only thing keeping MD afloat is proximity to DC and commuting to the good jobs in VA.
choppy1
12/2/2015 3:21 PM EST
Raise the minimum wage, which would raise the wages of people who make a bit more than the minimum wage. 
Make education and job training more affordable so that people like Deshler can afford to improve their skills 
Build infrastructure, which will increase jobs and competition for labor and therefore raise wages as well as lifting the productivity level of the economy as a whole
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 3:29 PM EST
OK so raising the minimum wage would also raise prices - probably a wash vs the increased cost of living. How would the democrats make education more affordable when history shows that the more federal money thrown at education simply raises the cost? I agree on infrastructure and think a $1 a gallon tax on gas should cover it. That said better roads, and schools in Wilcox still wouldn't get Google or Apple to move there. They'll still need to incent companies to come in.
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 2:34 PM EST
So what would the dems do differently? Not compete with 62 other cities to bring the plant in? I live in MD and we get killed by VA in attracting f500 companies. The only thing keeping MD afloat is proximity to DC and commuting to the good jobs in VA.
russpittman
12/2/2015 2:41 PM EST
What would the dems do differently? To start with, they would accept Obamacare's Medicaid expansion, which would create local health care jobs AND improve the lives of the people there.
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 2:53 PM EST
So according to census data Wilcox has 11,000 people. Expanded medicated would create what +10 jobs vs the plants 200. Also the main subject did have his wages increase from $3.70/hour to $14.75/hour. Maybe it didn't meet his expectations... But he left a $25/hour job to move back to a town where he knew there were no jobs.
cleophis
12/2/2015 7:38 PM EST
What's good about working hard if it gets you nowhere? Planning better and working smarter are the more sensible way. He is digging himself into a hole of his own making and is already bitter about his self-created circumstances.
Plausible Deniability
12/2/2015 2:26 PM EST
Without $100 a Barrel for Oil 
All the Red State Economic "Miracles " start to implode ............Well, at least the Rich got their Tax breaks while they could........
mrrworld
12/2/2015 2:25 PM EST
I'm not fan of Chinese companies but I am not sure why the Chinese company is at fault here. The guy in the article was making $7.75/hour that he was splitting with his brother, now he is making $14.75/hour (about a 30% increase in 2 years or so from his starting salary-a pretty decent or fast increase). Politicians, not the company, said wages would be $15-17, making it sound like the guy was getting screwed but then the article mentions a woman who was making $16/hour and gloating about being able to eat steak now. The company promised jobs for people with no skills and the article provides several examples of doing just that. They did promise 500 jobs but have only provided 200 so that is a problem for the state. In one of the pictures, there is a mention how some roadstand restaurant is doing great since the factory opened, just what you hope will happen when a new business opens up.  
 
The guy seemed like he had other opportunities, more lucrative, but turned them down because he didn't want to move, a quality of life decision that meant taking less money for intangibles but in any case, his choice. Seemed like he had a budget or spending problem. At $14/hour he probably was taking home $2000 per month. His mortgage on a $22,000 house can't be more than $200/month, leaving him with $1800 per month to spend. His father's lesson should be you need to get an education.
ZoolanderMathAcademy
12/2/2015 5:02 PM EST [Edited]
You're a little generous with your math. $14/hour is about $2,400/month gross and $1,800/month take home pay net of taxes. Minus family heath insurance at $250/month. Subtract $220/month for mortgage plus another $100 for property taxes and homeowners insurance. Feeding a family of 4 on $500/month is reasonable. Then add another $200 for utilities like electricity, gas, phone, etc., a car payment of $300/month plus $250/month for insurance and gasoline and you're left with $10. The problem for most American families isn't their budgeting, it's their wages which have been stagnant for years. $14/hour barely supports basics. That's why voters are angry.
cleophis
12/2/2015 7:43 PM EST
He chose to give up a well paid job and move back home knowing there was very little employment there. The labour market does not adjust to you, you adjust to it.
scottdd1
12/2/2015 2:24 PM EST
It's easy to overcome, elect Bernie and raise min wage to 25-35 an hour-whatever it takes- and things will work themselves out swimmingly. 
 
It's simple economics, really. 
 
That or just stop working and let Uncle take care of you like the citizens of the major cities. 
 
*trying not to crack myself up*
Crickey
12/2/2015 2:27 PM EST [Edited]
The cities are the economic centers of this nation. They're creative hubs, centers of finance, and where most cutting edge R&D occurs.
emizzle
12/2/2015 2:28 PM EST
.... The OP is talking about the inner city sections that live in poverty and / or on welfare and do not work.
The Oinkster
12/2/2015 2:32 PM EST
Yeah, but what good are they if they're full of (whispering) gay people?
hgldr
12/2/2015 2:28 PM EST
Bernie does have that min wage thing distorted. He is for more education though, which would result in better pay without the government mandating what one's labor is worth. Some "socialism" (like schools) is good. Some socialism, like a welfare system which encourages many to play the system, is bad.
emizzle
12/2/2015 2:22 PM EST [Edited]
http://www.al.com/specialreport/birminghamnews/ind... 
 
Apparently, this region of Alabama, "the Black belt", literally still practices SEGREGATION. The majority of the county is black and so is its public schools, but then there are a few "private white academies" around the region which are literally schools that were set up in the 1960s to avoid the federal mandates to integrate the schools, AND THEY STILL EXIST. With this type of extreme backwards thinking and stone-age mentality, it's not surprising they can't even capitalize sentences.
GabsDaD
12/2/2015 2:23 PM EST [Edited]
Sorry we are not taking the bait. This is not about race.
emizzle
12/2/2015 2:26 PM EST
This region of the country still practices segregation, that is relevant to the economics of the situation. When neither side wants to fund education or job growth out of fear of aiding "the enemy race", there is economic and social stagnation and decline, which is what the article is discussing.
Lilycat1
12/2/2015 3:09 PM EST
Obama and most of the other folks in DC send their kids to better schools than the public system. Are they racist as well?
efgreaves
12/2/2015 2:20 PM EST
I would be willing to bet that many of those people living on these extremely low wages vote Republican. Why? Because they are told by Republicans that the Democrats favor minorities and immigrants (and because Democrats are going to take their guns away). They don't see social class...they only see race.
ex bubba
12/2/2015 3:10 PM EST
Most of these people are no better off than their third world equivalent and maybe more ignorant and unhealthy.
Liberals will lose again in 2018
12/2/2015 2:17 PM EST
We interrupt this progressive stereotype for some facts:  
Forbes:  
"...economic growth in the South has outpaced the rest of the country for a generation and the area now constitutes by far the largest economic region in the country. A recent analysis by Trulia projects the edge will widen in the rest of this decade, sparked by such factors as lower costs and warmer weather. 
 
But some of this comes as a result of conscious policy. With their history of poverty and underdevelopment, Southern states are motivated to be business friendly. They generally have lower taxes, and less stringent regulations, than their primary competitors in the Northeast or on the West Coast. Indeed this year the four best states for business, according to CEO Magazine, were Texas, Florida, North Carolina and Tennessee. They are also much less unionized, an important factor for foreign and expanding domestic firms. 
 
Despite a tough time in the Great Recession, overall unemployment in the region now is less than in either the West or the Northeast. As manufacturing has recovered, employment has rebounded quicker in the Southeast than in the rival Great Lakes region."
The Oinkster
12/2/2015 2:20 PM EST
Which proves the article's point. Forbes isn't writing that bit of boosterism for the working man; it's basically a cattle call for exploitative large business owners. Being business friendly and being good for the community don't necessarily go hand in hand.
ex bubba
12/2/2015 3:12 PM EST
News bulletin - unless you are self employed, you are also being exploited for your skills at a prevailing wage standard for your area.
Plausible Deniability
12/2/2015 2:16 PM EST
Aim Gun to Foot .....and Pull trigger, you freaking southern idiots! 
 
Keep voting Republican, keep voting for every freaking idiot that has a (R) besides his name, just because..........
Liberals will lose again in 2018
12/2/2015 2:16 PM EST
forbes:  
"even as the old Confederacy’s political banner fades, its long-term economic prospects shine bright. This derives from factors largely outside the control of Washington: demographic trends, economic growth patterns, state business climates, flows of foreign investment and, finally and most surprisingly, a shift of educated workers and immigrants to an archipelago of fast-growing urban centers. 
 
Perhaps the most persuasive evidence is the strong and persistent inflow of Americans to the South. The South still attracts the most domestic migrants of any U.S. region. Last year, it boasted six of the top eight states in terms of net domestic migration — Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Tennessee, South Carolina and Georgia. Texas and Florida alone gained 250,000 net migrants. The top four losers were deep blue New York, Illinois, New Jersey and California."
lane2125
12/2/2015 2:15 PM EST
I wish people on this thread would stop blaming Republicans or Democrats for the sorry state of the economy in Alabama. The white people of Alabama haven't changed. They don't want to vote money for education because it might benefit black people, and they don't want to have unions because unions have a history of supporting black people. So what do you expect? The party label is meaningless; it's just the same old southern fried racism.
Lilycat1
12/2/2015 3:11 PM EST
That is total nonsense.
ex bubba
12/2/2015 3:16 PM EST
You were right until you passed the word education. They just dont like paying taxes, period. Particularly to a dictatorial fed. Rightly or wrongly, its a different perspective.
hgldr
12/2/2015 2:14 PM EST
Interesting if the Post can study WHY high school grads in Wilcox county don't even know that sentences start with a capital letter. What is wrong with a teaching curriculum which results in this?
The Oinkster
12/2/2015 2:15 PM EST
Because capitalizing letters is a liberal socialist plot.
hgldr
12/2/2015 2:21 PM EST
sarcasm well understood. I moved "kind of" south, from the west coast to Kansas with a salary well over $100K, so I'm part of the migration of educated people to the south. I notice a continual (in newspaper letters to editor and such) flow of complaints that "we don't want to waste money on schools" (you know, where liberals go to learn things). This circular logic must be 10X as severe in Alabama, resulting in uneducated people living in poverty.
emizzle
12/2/2015 2:18 PM EST [Edited]
http://www.al.com/specialreport/birminghamnews/ind... 
 
Apparently, this region of Alabama, "the Black belt", literally still practices SEGREGATION. The majority of the county is black and so is it's public schools, but then there are a few "private white academies" around the region which are literally schools that were set up in the 1960s to avoid the federal mandates to integrate the schools, AND THEY STILL EXIST. With this type of extreme backwards thinking and stone-age mentality, it's not surprising they can't even capitalize sentences.
Carol_R
12/2/2015 3:07 PM EST
Or that half the job applicants are felons and/or can't pass a simple drug test.
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falc83
12/2/2015 2:14 PM EST
In addition to paying non-livable wages the company there is flying a Chinese flag in its parking lot. Wow! Not only is unfettered capitalism brutal it makes it a point to be demoralizing as well. 
 
Stay Red Alabama.
sold2u
12/2/2015 2:13 PM EST
It will be interesting to see if the union can negotiate wages higher...
Liberals will lose again in 2018
12/2/2015 2:13 PM EST
forbes:  
"even as the old Confederacy’s political banner fades, its long-term economic prospects shine bright. This derives from factors largely outside the control of Washington: demographic trends, economic growth patterns, state business climates, flows of foreign investment and, finally and most surprisingly, a shift of educated workers and immigrants to an archipelago of fast-growing urban centers. 
 
Perhaps the most persuasive evidence is the strong and persistent inflow of Americans to the South. The South still attracts the most domestic migrants of any U.S. region. Last year, it boasted six of the top eight states in terms of net domestic migration — Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Tennessee, South Carolina and Georgia. Texas and Florida alone gained 250,000 net migrants. The top four losers were deep blue New York, Illinois, New Jersey and California."
Plausible Deniability
12/2/2015 2:11 PM EST [Edited]
Republicans are only interested in the number of jobs, not the quality of jobs. of course they would be happy to hand off the job of making Welfare Payments to the Chinese. Sure, our deficit might no grow as much, who cares about the quality of the jobs. Republicans are willing to make Americans third world workers. Hey, it could be worst, right America. At least you have a job! 
Welcome to the Republican new world order  
 
but at least those living in the South got to have their PayBack on Obama by voting for every freaking idiot with an (R) beside their name. They got that to eat and raise their children. The warmth of getting one against Obama!
hgldr
12/2/2015 2:40 PM EST
hahahah, yeah! They really showed that Obama guy something! "Look how we failed to educate ourselves under YOU Obama".
Crickey
12/2/2015 2:10 PM EST [Edited]
Recent studies showed that the average annual costs of owning and operating a car are nearly $9,000.  
 
Ride a bike and save a fortune. No need for a gym membership, either, and enjoy better health.
GabsDaD
12/2/2015 2:05 PM EST
All those people in the South vote Republican because they are told the GOP is for God, Guns, and against Gays, and the Dems are the complete opposite. What they refuse to understand is these are just selling points. The only mantra the GOP truly believes in is Laissez Faire Economics or Predatory Capitalism. And in that system they raised to be prey (poverty, poor education, anti-birth control, etc…), not predator.
Liberals will lose again in 2018
12/2/2015 2:06 PM EST
So they should get on welfare, quick, like Northern poor people do...
GabsDaD
12/2/2015 2:07 PM EST
Nope. Move. Go where the jobs are and get a better education then Alabama will provide.
Vixjunk
12/2/2015 2:15 PM EST
Before you deride the education of others, please learn the difference between "then" and "than". Thank you
Carla_claws
12/2/2015 2:19 PM EST
Please. I've had that drilled into me since I was a toddler by parents who insisted on impeccable grammar and usage, and I still mistype that one occasionally. It's a brain hiccup.
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 2:07 PM EST
Yes because the democrats have been so successful at driving improved education in Detroit, Baltimore etc. Success at school depends on the student and their parents. Clearly no one pushed school to these kids - now adults and they have no marketable skills. 
JuanValdez4ver
12/2/2015 2:13 PM EST
The difference is the entire state of Alabama is terribly uneducated, versus one city in the state of MI and MD. Also, Baltimore Schools have been underfunded on a per pupil basis for I dunno 50 years? 100? Easy to move out of Baltimore, hard to leave an entire state when you cant fill your gas tank, much less lay down a security deposit, 1st & last months rent.
Liberals will lose again in 2018
12/2/2015 2:19 PM EST
Public education funding has skyrocketed in recent years, with results getting worse and worse...
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 2:20 PM EST
It's not money, Baltimore spends more per pupil than Montgomery County. Simply the students and parents are uninterested in learning and if they do they flee the area as fast as they can. Further the main subject of the story left, had a good job and stupidly went back.
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hgldr
12/2/2015 2:38 PM EST
Well, at LEAST these people know as a fact that, if they continue to pay more taxes as a percentage of their income than the rich, then the rich will, someday give them jobs.
Liberals will lose again in 2018
12/2/2015 2:04 PM EST
And to think all these poor hardworking self reliant folks are paying taxes, so that snooty public sector Beltway hacks can sit in their offices, and insult them.
GabsDaD
12/2/2015 2:06 PM EST
They aren't self reliant. They rely on the Chinese.
ex bubba
12/2/2015 3:25 PM EST
And people in D.C. rely on the fed even more so.
The Oinkster
12/2/2015 1:59 PM EST
Boo hoo. When you vote against your own economic interests again and again, that's not tragic; its idiotic. Your best days are behind you, Dixie. I'd feel sorry for you if only I didn't think you deeply deserved it.
Liberals will lose again in 2018
12/2/2015 2:02 PM EST
Translation: shut up, wait in line and take the Government handouts like your blue state low information dependents...
GreenPoisonFrog
12/2/2015 2:10 PM EST
You can look it up but as a percentage of taxes paid and returned to the states, red states get back more of their income taxes back in government "handouts" or aid/or whatever you'd like to refer it as. Not all the money returned is a support payment (might be a road for example) but net tax outgoing versus incoming is far more in favor of southern states than for a state like New York which sees net outflows of tax revenue. The South would be even poorer if they only got back the taxes they pay in the form of government payments. It's the blue states that subsidize the red, not the other way around.
The Oinkster
12/2/2015 2:12 PM EST
Please. Having lived in the south and implemented a business plan here that has flourished in every other region but the South, I can honestly and knowledgeably claim that the South is the best at the worst things and the worst at the best things.
ex bubba
12/2/2015 3:25 PM EST
Mighty christian of you...
pbmazzone
12/2/2015 1:58 PM EST
fascinating look at the travails of the modern south. interesting how what appears to be a permanent underclass has remained so unchanged for so long. in my humble opinion assigning a party affiliation for blame is facile to say the least. there appear to be deeper, long standing issues afflicting this part of the nation.
Liberals will lose again in 2018
12/2/2015 2:05 PM EST
The WaPost ignores the fact that there is a mass migration of young ambitious private sector folks out of the welfare states of the failing liberal Northern states, to the growing South...
Crickey
12/2/2015 2:07 PM EST
DC is booming, so, no.
JuanValdez4ver
12/2/2015 2:15 PM EST
I'll let Sergey Brin, Zuckerburg, Gates and Bezos know they are doomed to fail because they locate HQ in leftist paradise of CA...
mlrice710
12/2/2015 2:16 PM EST
Um, young people are moving to Atlanta, Charlotte, Huntsville, Raleigh.....no one is checking for the places this article is about. Ignorant hicks that listen to right wing radio all day and believe the black helicopters are coming for them live in the places this article is about
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cleophis
12/2/2015 7:53 PM EST
It might be a big help if they got their noses out of the bible and into a good book or newspaper.
GabsDaD
12/2/2015 1:54 PM EST [Edited]
This guy Deshler, had a pretty good job in Montgomery Al but did not like the city or the commute. So he returned to Wilcox where he KNEW job prospects were poor. Now, he borrows money from his father, a lawyer who still makes the drive to Montgomery, and complains. Tell us again about the southern work ethic? I didn’t seem to transfer to the current generation. 
 
Addendum: I live in NVA. I only know one person who grew up here. Everyone else (including me) is from somewhere else. You have to go where the work is.
theonlygoodrepublican
12/2/2015 2:07 PM EST
But where IS the work for a population with the minimal job skills that the article describes? Not around NVA.
GabsDaD
12/2/2015 2:10 PM EST
Sigh. I don't know. It may be too late for them but the answer for the future has to be higher education standards. You don't like the NEA, are against Common Core, fine. Develop your own but improve the education of the kids and the rest will follow.
JuanValdez4ver
12/2/2015 2:16 PM EST
For a machinist? norfolk shipyard?
Anthony Boatman
12/2/2015 1:50 PM EST
When you peddle and sell yourself as a source of cheap labor, don't be shocked when your laborers are treated cheaply. Organize!!
DavidinCambridge
12/2/2015 1:47 PM EST
Alabama made its bed. Don't expect me to lie in it.
Liberals will lose again in 2018
12/2/2015 2:08 PM EST
Massachusetts made its bed, and is filling up with illegals and welfare recipients....the Mass Pike West is filled with hardworking taxpayers fleeing the failed welfare paradise...why, the Bulger hacks were so crooked, the voters elected a Republican Governor...
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 1:45 PM EST
So this guy chose to leave a job paying $25/hour and move back to an area where there were no jobs. The solution is you move to where the jobs are - you don't hope jobs come to you.
Crickey
12/2/2015 1:49 PM EST
He went to college and got a competitive advantage. That's hardly irresponsible.
CapHillMike
12/2/2015 1:52 PM EST
Building the skills are part of it so kudos to him. But you've got to be willing to go where the jobs are. Staying put in that town is irresponsible.
PoppaCharlie
12/2/2015 1:58 PM EST
But didn't follow up. That single aw shite that wiped out all the attaboys.
The Oinkster
12/2/2015 1:45 PM EST
The South! A drag on the United States since 1860! Viva Duh!
Jolt2
12/2/2015 1:42 PM EST
Reagan's dream is coming to America.  
Soon we will be competitive with the rest of the world. 
What's the hourly wage in Bangladesh?
_BSH
12/2/2015 1:56 PM EST
Globalism is a completely bipartisan story. See the votes in Congress on NAFTA, WTO, etc, etc. These things passed by Presidents and Congresses of both parties. Plague upon them all.
Daniel Kinkaid
12/2/2015 1:38 PM EST
The South made it's choice back in the 70's. Sorry, but you're getting exactly what the rest of us told you what you were going to get: A race to the bottom. The rest of us, frankly, are tired of our tax dollars being used to support you. 
 
Deal with the consequences of your political choices.
Dolorous Edd
12/2/2015 1:34 PM EST
Uh-oh... Now you did it. Now the DC power elite know there are still some low-skill US workers they haven't shafted out of a decent job. Better get busy and replace them with some H1B or illegals pronto.
RossWJohnson
12/2/2015 1:31 PM EST [Edited]
Lack of educational opportunities in the South destroy opportunity, increase suffering, and enable its neoliberal ruling class to persuade the poor to vote against their social and economic interests. The South is a region of great potential never realized due to misdirected public policy. It will remain a bastion of low wages and worker victimization as long as the GOP has a grip on state government. Such is the legacy of slavery.
Lilycat1
12/2/2015 1:31 PM EST
The writer should go back and do some in depth reporting on other industries in other parts of the state. This is only a one sided story of one facility. Many others are faring much better and living quite well.
BrilliantCommentator
12/2/2015 1:30 PM EST
One key problem is that over 50% of applicants have felonies or flunked the drug test! Pretty sad state of affairs. The State of Alabama should have negotiated better and gotten a committment of an better average hourly rate for the jobs in exchange for the tax concessions they were awarding. They also should have required a certain percentage of management positions be from local hires.
JM1789
12/2/2015 1:51 PM EST
Yes, they certainly could have insisted on that those conditions -- but then they would have not gotten the factory. I sounds like they Chinese company was in a position to be pretty choosy about where it located the factory and under what terms.
Carol_R
12/2/2015 3:14 PM EST
Why should unskilled laborers get paid more than they are in that area? The cost of living is practically nothing there. It's not like they're getting paid $15/hr and living in an area like the DC area. He was able to buy a house there for $22,000. A 30 year mortgage at today's rates for $22,000 is around $104 per month.
reporter1
12/2/2015 1:28 PM EST
Trump is right, the Chinese are smarter than we are.
DavidinCambridge
12/2/2015 1:31 PM EST
Smarter than Alabamans, anyway.
Lilycat1
12/2/2015 1:33 PM EST
Not so, but they are smarter than the folks who are running things in DC.
Jolt2
12/2/2015 1:26 PM EST
Soon the south will be offering these companies slave labor. 
That should drive life span down, so an extra bonus will be all the savings on retirement services. The states will use their portion to enrich those poor put-upon CEOs.
g3ntry
12/2/2015 1:28 PM EST
They already do via prison labor.
ARealCitizen
12/2/2015 1:23 PM EST
Funny. I guy who was probably raised conservative, which means he never cared for or supported unions, now sees WHY unions came into existence. To address unfair wages and working conditions. Studies, data, whatever, has shown that the south has the lowest paying jobs. So all the moral and values touted in these conservative areas do nothing to support are garner better working wages. The lack of education is a key contributor. Not being trained, especially for the jobs of tomorrow, not today, does not help. This article points out that a lot of the folks referenced don't even have basic education, like how to draft a sentence. I would negotiate differently if I was these southern states. No taxes, we will build the infrastructure but your company, which will benefit from low wage earners and tax exemption WILL contribute to provide education programs and basic education which will long term lift these areas or at a minimum, affect future generations for the better.
g3ntry
12/2/2015 1:27 PM EST
It's not surprising that they don't understand that joining a union is an expression of their first amendment rights.
Lilycat1
12/2/2015 1:34 PM EST
I belonged to a union at one time when I lived in Alabama. Not such a great deal. The fat cats who were the local leaders lived high on the hog, though.
Vanstar
12/2/2015 1:22 PM EST
And here we see the results of many years of the GOP's policies. All of America can be just like Alabama.
Stratman351
12/2/2015 1:21 PM EST
So the guy was effectively making $3.70 an hour at the family store, got a job at this plant at $11 an hour - later increased to $11.75 - and then bought a bunch of new stuff he can't pay for without thinking it through. Where would he be if he was still making $3.70 an hour? And if he has confidence in his machinists skills, why doesn't he look somewhere else. Cry me a river. 
ARealCitizen
12/2/2015 1:27 PM EST
Ahhhhh, compassion.
army164
12/2/2015 1:27 PM EST [Edited]
Yeah he really splurged. A 22K foreclosed house. Other than that there is nothing in the article that says he bought more than he could afford. The moral of the story is you certainly SHOULD look a gift horse in the eye. And the south (and its solidly Republican, anti-union base) needs to wake up and smell the coffee. All these governments have done is joined the race to the bottom for the American working class.
RonJarvis
12/2/2015 1:28 PM EST
You seem nice. Glad you chimed in.
Vanstar
12/2/2015 1:18 PM EST
And here we see the results of many years of the GOP's policies. All of America can be just like Alabama.
a more perfect union
12/2/2015 1:16 PM EST
Short version: 
Increase foreign company profits at the expense of the American worker.
bostonmass
12/2/2015 1:15 PM EST
When the Deep South understands the importance of education, perhaps its situation will improve. This is a knowledge-based economy, not an agrarian or manufacturing based economy like it once was. That's gone and it's not coming back. Getting skills for the 21st century means getting educated and that includes replacing Bibles with science books.
Vanstar
12/2/2015 1:18 PM EST
Goobers don't get this. You are paid for what you know, and not what you do. However, this point is completely lost on goobers.
reporter1
12/2/2015 1:14 PM EST
We have all the jobs you want in Texas--at $8.00 an hour. Bring your family of six and start your career in fast food or agriculture.
judy_p01
12/2/2015 1:14 PM EST
Get rid of any power workers had and then offer ridiculous tax incentives to bring in better wages. Yup, that works well.  
 
I wonder when these morons will realize that stupid trickle down theory is never, ever going to work.
Smilin Bob
12/2/2015 1:13 PM EST [Edited]
"Bottom rail on top" 
White southerners forced to live the way they made black folks live in the 1940's and they fail to see the irony in that and still vote Republican. 
No worries, Mr. Trump will make America great again right? 
Since being Republican controlled has done so much for the deep South already.
JudyJupiter
12/2/2015 1:14 PM EST
Trump will have these kids chopping cotton and lettuce in no time!
Smilin Bob
12/2/2015 1:26 PM EST
I was fortunate to live in an area with a huge industrial base with a real need for skilled labor. 
In spite of the wealth in the county we still have a HUGE segment of the population with nothing more than a high school diploma and they live at or just above poverty level by choice and yes they don't follow what bills that are being passed in the State House, Nascar, wrestling, beer and football are their only intellectual pursuits and blindly vote against their own best interest.
DavidGonzales
12/2/2015 1:11 PM EST
This is really a sad story, as are the accompanying graphs that show how terrible life is in the South. It's truly a sad day when a Chinese company looks to the US (the South) for cheap labor. And to be given $200 million dollars worth of incentives! And the company won't be paying taxes for years! Lot of good this does public schools. 
 
Then Republican Southerners always have the nerve to brag about great they are, and criticize our President endlessly. You guys want a better life, with strong unions, higher wages and healthcare? Vote Democratic.  
 
“You really need to go to the South,” Cheng recalled saying in one phone conversation with the chairman of Golden Dragon, Li Changjie. “You need a lot of land. You need cheap labor. You need to establish in friendly ground."
DavidGonzales
12/2/2015 1:13 PM EST
Another article that details how bad life is in the South, entitled "Why the South is the Worst Place to Live in the US." 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/1...
Lilycat1
12/2/2015 1:20 PM EST
It's far from the worst place to live.
frankwomble
12/2/2015 1:40 PM EST
One has to wonder why so many Northerners leave their frozen Utopias and move to the South by the thousands.
jimoliver1954
12/2/2015 1:09 PM EST
When wages that are not sufficient to support a family are considered a strength, it is time to reevaluate your priorities.
TippyCanoe
12/2/2015 1:07 PM EST
Well I gather they should blame "Tricky Dick" Nixon for making the South what it is today...., actually its no better then it was in the 18oo's, with one obvious exception. Funny thing is..., if you have ever read Doris Kearns Goodwin's "Rivals" book, there is a part of the book when one of Lincoln's rivals (I think the guy was a former Gov of NY) was traveling south, just to explore his changes in the 1860 election, he remarked how incredibly backwards things were once beyond the Potomac. No roads, no infrastructure. nothing but wilderness and large plots of cleared land for farming. Well by the looks of it very little has changed since.
StokesR_WP
12/2/2015 1:05 PM EST
Mr. Deshler is correct: the government of Alabama betrayed its children by failing to provide the funds for an excellent primary and secondary education that would have provided those children with the tools to be competitive in the global economy. Mr. Deshler is also correct that unionization will provide a means to obtain fair wages and conditions of employment. Despite the close vote on the union election, this is an encouraging sign that rational labor-management relations are coming to the Deep South.
tincada
12/2/2015 1:03 PM EST
Viva the right to work for less States! How's that working for y'all?
jimoliver1954
12/2/2015 1:10 PM EST
As Obama pointed out, "The right to work for less."
Time4MoreActions
12/2/2015 1:00 PM EST
I wonder what those Chinese nationals think about the Alabamians
LeeWhitt
12/2/2015 1:03 PM EST
We can probably guess.
kl0202
12/2/2015 1:17 PM EST
They live in a house, we live in a trailer.
Scott76
12/2/2015 12:54 PM EST
Key statement for what's wrong in the Deep South: “The lack of education is severe,” Norsworthy said, “and I’m comfortable using that term.” 
 
To quote Maximilien Robespierre, "The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant." 
 
Which political party is dominant in Alabama and which political party want do do things like close the Department of Education? #justsaying
JoeODonnell
12/2/2015 12:56 PM EST
These are the Trump supporters.
LeeWhitt
12/2/2015 12:59 PM EST
Yes, is cringeworthy to read that basic employment applications are riddled with errors and enough people do not grasp rudimentary grammar and punctuation that it is a noteworthy paragraph in a long form article.
TMac Mcalister
12/2/2015 12:50 PM EST
The South, red state America in general, with their "right-to-work" laws, anti-union policies, and no effective worker safety or environmental regulatory agencies, is apparently willing to be a Third World country providing cheap labor for rich foreign companies. How pathetic.
HelloEarth2
12/2/2015 12:53 PM EST
And very Republican too using Democratic passed programs -- Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, and food stamps -- to get by. Yet, they still vote Republican.
TwistedInsiight
12/2/2015 1:10 PM EST
Sounds like they deserve what they've got then, doesn't it?
Jimmy Guss
12/2/2015 12:50 PM EST
Work for peanuts, or join the military and get an all-expense paid trip to the latest war zone..
skramsv
12/2/2015 12:44 PM EST
Once upon a time, people used to stand in solidarity with each other. If a company was not paying or treating workers right, people would go out on strike, not just at that company, but across the community and even the nation. Now the attitude is "eF" You buddy, I'm only looking out for #1 so get out of my way. 
 
I would not doubt that working conditions at this plant do not meet OSHA standards and that the pay is not fair for the work done. But Senator Sellout Shelby and the rest of the congressional clowns in AL and the south keep getting re-elected. It matters who you vote for.  
 
We also need to realise that if we want to produce anything in this country, it is going to be at foreign labor rates. This means a whole bunch of people are going to have to see a reduction in their income, including landlords and other property owners. We could end all of this, but government does not have the stomach to put US citizens first and protect our jobs like every other country on earth does. Nope, we will be the world's pizz boys.
FactBasedDiscussion
12/2/2015 12:44 PM EST
My family is from southern Alabama ... the story sounds the same, but the photos are different ...the Post front page photo of a man and his child with the old pickup in the lean-to "carport" looked very much the same - except the man is significantly overweight whereas photos from the 1920-1980s show thin people. Another discussion. 
 
The issue is education and the desire to live where you are from - the smart ones moved away whereas the not so smart stayed ... HOPING for something. Even Communist Chinese look like saviors when you have so little hope. 
 
It is sort of a land that time moved on from ...even the older locals with the education of life believe the people are uneducated ...I see their philosophical counterparts in southern Virginia and down through NC, SC, GA, MS, and FL driving around in their pickups with confederate flags flying ... walking in and out of Walmarts either in clean camouflage hunting clothes or dirty civies ...long hair and beards ... tatted up ... hoping to get the good jobs ... reminds me of a line from Christmas Vacation when Beverly D'Angelo notes that Miriam Flynn had told her that Randy Quaid's worthless character was "holding out for a management position." 
 
Yeah - a rant. But, when I do visit my relatives ... the most ignorant, silly nonsense escapes their mouths. 
 
Long winded - photos would tell the story better - I am from the area ...have seen so much ...have heard so much I could write a book .. of sad humor.
SimpleJoe
12/2/2015 12:48 PM EST [Edited]
Becoming job-nomads? If the prime generation (20-40 yr) would do that those southern states would flush empty, where the neighboring states suddenly found an influx of job competitors. What you are suggesting is not about increasing chances, instead it would be spreading poverty.
Lilycat1
12/2/2015 1:23 PM EST
I am from the area as well, and apparently your circle of acquaintances is very small.
FactBasedDiscussion
12/2/2015 2:50 PM EST
Odd that the article was written about the area, then? 
 
My circle is small - most everyone's circle is small - but, the theme is what is clear ...education is not occurring effectively enough ... lots of reasons and I don't know them all. I can tell you large numbers of white southerners do send their kids to private religious schools to escape the public (read bad, or read mixed races, etc...it is still a fact) ... obviously more prevalent in smaller towns than real cities ...is certainly that way in Dothan, Andalusia, Luverne, Montgomery ...
Blueraidertwo
12/2/2015 12:43 PM EST
Like it or not, unskilled labor is a commodity. If supply exceeds demand the price for it is low (see the oil markets now).  
 
The fellow who is the focal point of the story had a job that paid well in Birmingham but elected to leave it. So, apparently the peace and quiet of this poor county were worth the loss in income to him. He made an economic decision and now he's living with the outcomes of that. 
 
The flip side is that, while many elect to reside docilely in poverty in rural Alabama or Anacostia, millions find a way to overcome huge barriers and get from Guatemala or Mexico and find well-paying jobs in, meat packing plants in Iowa.  
 
It's a choice, not only to get job skills but to put yourself in a place where you can get paid for using them. Or don't do that.....
skramsv
12/2/2015 12:51 PM EST
So go try and get a job at an Iowa meat packing plant. If you are represented by a human trafficker, good luck buddy. Even better luck if you are a US citizen. Yeah, this guy choose to leave a job for one that had appeared to be better and lost the bet. But you left out the key lesson to this Greek-style tragedy - this man's father went to college, then to law school and is doing okay. Nothing said about sucking it up and getting a college degree in, say mechanical engineering. And yes, it does help to be able to afford to leave a depressed area for greener pastures.
Blueraidertwo
12/2/2015 12:59 PM EST
He didn't leave the job in Birmingham for the job in the copper plant. He left it for a job in a convenience store. If he thought that was a step up.....well - 'nuff said....very bad bet. No wonder he's not a lawyer himself.
Minute of Angle
12/2/2015 12:42 PM EST
I saw the effects of NAFTA first hand with dozens of businesses, even new ones with big investments, leave the US and relocate to Caribbean, Latin American countries, Canada and Mexico. Two that I personally had experience with had taken big tax incentives from smaller local communities and even counties just a few years before to open their production facilities. Timber, textiles, furniture, other manufacturing and even technology businesses were forced to relocate to remain competitive. 
Insult was added to injury when Americans were asked to take temporary jobs in the new countries by their companies to train their foreign replacements. 
North Carolina, once an international powerhouse in furniture and textiles lost tens of thousands of good paying jobs that were directly attributable to NAFTA. 
Clinton gave us NAFTA, Bush gave us CAFTA and now Obama the Asian-Pacific Trade Agreement - APTA. 
Each and every time we do this Americans lose manufacturing, service and technology jobs. Why do they do it? The national Chamber of Commerce and BIG business lobbies congress and the white house with campaign donations, threats of no votes and no donations and promises that the bottom line will grow enough to offset the losses. 
So far there is no evidence that is true. Are the products now made overseas cheaper than they the ones that were produced in the USA? In some cases that's true and cannot be denied; clothing is one example. Often the quality is equal due to modern manufacturing methods and commitment to quality by the retailers who order these products. 
But, in the long run, the US manufacturing and job bases have shrunk, business and personal tax revenues have shrunk, jobs have been lost, communities devastated or stagnated, second and third generation loses mount to demonstrate the long term loses exceed anything ever predicted. That family who lives paycheck to paycheck is unlikely to send their children to college, trade schools, professional education, etc.
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socal90
12/2/2015 12:34 PM EST
It's crazy how blue states which invest in general infrastructure and higher education are able to create whole new industries with good paying jobs. Red states squander their few public resources to lure foreign poverty wage employers from places like Cambodia and Vietnam.
Zman45
12/2/2015 12:38 PM EST [Edited]
It's crazy how blue states which invest in general infrastructure and higher education are able to create whole new industries with good paying jobs. 
 
===================================== 
 
You mean like in California, southern Oregon, and Upstate New York? 
 
(I hope you can get the sarcasm.) 
 
Besides, Airbus and Boeing have both settled in the Stupid South.
Zman45
12/2/2015 12:41 PM EST
You should venture outside San Francisco and Marin County, moron.
keller1
12/2/2015 12:43 PM EST [Edited]
California is growing jobs 50% higher than the national average and has for 3 plus years now. Here's Breibart, a source you might even trust. 
 
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/11/23/cal...
keller1
12/2/2015 12:28 PM EST
"What's the Matter with Kansas?" is really "What's the Matter with Red States?". 
 
They vote for social issues and smaller government and what they actually get are tax cuts for the wealthy, deregulation of big business, and lousy wages for themselves. They get bamboozled every time.
Time4MoreActions
12/2/2015 12:24 PM EST
This what you get when you let Republicans run things.
keller1
12/2/2015 12:34 PM EST
"Republicans ruin things" 
 
Fixed it for ya Smile
wfmccarthy
12/2/2015 12:23 PM EST
It’s a vicious cycle, because poorer states spend less on the things that would allow them to be less poor in the long run,” said Wesley Tharpe, a senior policy analyst at the left-leaning Georgia Budget and Policy Institute. 
 
Easy for the people in academia in their ivory towers to pontificate about what works best. The only downside is the southern states unwillingness or inability to drive a harder bargain with GD and others looking to relocate corporate operations.
Tom Sneeringer
12/2/2015 12:19 PM EST
This is the first article on Golden Dragon I have seen that includes mention of the "state incentive" of reimbursing tariffs. That's good reporting but what remains under-appreciated is that we are not talking about regular tariffs but, rather, tariffs imposed because China-based Golden Dragon was found (via an intensive government investigation) to have engaged in unfair trade practices like subsidization and dumping (a.k.a. "cheating"). The only place a "cheating" company can continue its ways immune from U.S. "anti-cheating" rules is right here in the U.S., because the laws against unfair trade can only be applied against imports. It's the perfect place to "hide in plain sight." GD still has the advantages of being a China State-Owned-Enterprise but now can enjoy them with immunity from U.S. trade laws. Alabama decided that a legitimate law-enforcement exercise of the Federal government could blithely be unwound in the cause of "economic development." That has to go on the list of self-defeating ideas.
socal90
12/2/2015 12:17 PM EST
Welcome to the American South...the new Vietnam.
FifthRace
12/2/2015 12:16 PM EST
should I blame republicans for these dirt poor, backward counties all over the south, or democrats??
Humpback
12/2/2015 12:19 PM EST
Who is in charge? Blame them. The whole government give-away idea sounds like poor planning and short-sightedness.
JudyJupiter
12/2/2015 12:14 PM EST
When Trump says he'll bring back jobs to America, these are the kinds of jobs he's talking about. He's not going to be bringing back highly paid factory jobs, because those wages depended on unions. 
 
I have no problems with that because I'm not going to be taking those jobs. If these people think it's a step up from backwoods poverty, go for it. 
 
Just don't whine about average wages being stagnant. Inviting Chinese factories into your state is not going raise averages wages. Pick a strategy and live with it.
Cromag82
12/2/2015 12:15 PM EST
This is the republican economic model. This is what they want for the whole country
Letsbefrank
12/2/2015 12:25 PM EST
No it doesn't.
ADNova
12/2/2015 12:11 PM EST
Here's the deal. If union labor was the end all be all this plant would have been built in Baltimore. It wasn't. Don't kick these folks for taking the opportunities that came their way. Maybe the next plant will pay more, etc.
Letsbefrank
12/2/2015 12:14 PM EST
It won't, of course. Not if companies can get away with paying slave wages. Americans undermine themselves by refusing to collectively bargain.
ODKoik
12/2/2015 12:24 PM EST
Wages are determined by the number of people willing to do a job, the specialized skill required, the unpleasantness of the job, and the demand for services the job fulfills.
JJPinManatee
12/2/2015 12:06 PM EST
These people make nothing but bad decisions, mostly have more kids when they know they cannot support them and gene pool is shallow in brain power. What chance do these kids have in the modern world? None
Letsbefrank
12/2/2015 12:14 PM EST
Wow - you are a peach.
Lilycat1
12/2/2015 1:27 PM EST
And completely oblivious to the same problems in Democrat run inner cities.
DOps
12/2/2015 12:05 PM EST
I suppose the question here is what the region is going to do with this prospect for economic gain to institutionalize the employment, foster higher wages, etc. Tax breaks are good to get companies in the door but when they expire, it might be tough to get them to stay. 
 
Now, a friend told me of a devastated area of WVa with an aluminum plant closed because of the pressure to stop using coal. Aluminum smelting is really energy-intensive. The town's dominant employer went dark. A buyer came forward to put the plant back on line using natural gas. Unfortunately, the EPA reviews and approvals regulations for re-energizing the plant were going to take over 6 years and the buyer moved on. 
 
It would be nice if we could solve that.
Letsbefrank
12/2/2015 12:16 PM EST
A friend? Looks like a planted comment. I'd love to see actual facts.
Cromag82
12/2/2015 12:17 PM EST
I just drove through West Virginia the other day. From the looks of it his friend is correct. What a depressing place
JudyJupiter
12/2/2015 12:17 PM EST
No problem: pay higher taxes to fund more EPA employees. Or pay more taxes to pay for the clean-up that your locale will be stuck with (since employers who know they don't have to clean up always leave big messes). 
 
Think about being a landlord, renting a building with no damage deposit? Not smart.
ADNova
12/2/2015 11:57 AM EST
If Atlanta has the money to build a billion dollar stadium for a team as miserable as the Falcons they must be doing something right.
jdgsc
12/2/2015 11:56 AM EST
If the South is that bad, why do so many from the North retire there?
ADNova
12/2/2015 11:59 AM EST [Edited]
For the same reason that people eating crabs in Annapolis don't realize they come from North Carolina. Attitude over reality.
lawboy87
12/2/2015 12:00 PM EST
Because, it's cheap? Same reason why so many people retire and move to Mexico, Costa Rica, etc., because their retirement benefits go a lot further in the 3rd world.
DOps
12/2/2015 12:00 PM EST
The "bad" drives a lower cost of living. The "good" provides a more moderate climate..
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Stu525
12/2/2015 11:55 AM EST [Edited]
200 jobs at an average of $12/hr = $5M per year. Let's say these workers previously had incomes at just 60% of this level, meaning $2M per year of extra income for the area. It will take 100 years to pay-off the $200M in subsidies!
Beatrix Kiddo
12/2/2015 11:59 AM EST
And if they'd just given out checks to unemployed people totaling $200 mil, the money would have been spent here in America, and everyone would be better off. Not saying that's what should have happened, but it'd have been a better outcome compared to what happened.
ADNova
12/2/2015 12:04 PM EST
Stu: Google economic multiplier and get back to us.
Ge_K1
12/2/2015 11:51 AM EST
"Jobs ... offer only a slightly better version of a hard life." How worthless is that! 
 
Yes, there's no dignity in labor -- it's of no value; only CEO, white collar positions are worthwhile. 
 
If you're unemployed or at a dead-end "struggling quick mart" job, then that supposedly "slightly better version" may really be a vast improvement. For example, working for a stable company is far more satisfactory and reassuring than working for a tiny, struggling quick mart (not to mention higher pay, chance of promotions, etc.).  
 
After admitting that "Mercedes, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Airbus and Boeing now have plants in the Deep South", WaPo laments that "experts say tax breaks often are used for the many companies offering lower-wage work [in 'depressed areas']."  
 
Oh no, the horror! What possible value can there be in lower-wage work in depressed areas? Are jobs for "lower-wage" folks worthless, maybe even harmful? Better to foster dependency, a culture of poverty? 
 
If lower-wage employees had ZERO income, no jobs, they would qualify for and need more government assistance, more welfare. Taxpayers are better off that they are employed at all; employees are better off working than being wards of the state, even if they can't move to WaPo neighborhoods.
Letsbefrank
12/2/2015 12:19 PM EST
You have missed the point entirely. These jobs aren't providing the promised benefits. People are working extremely hard and are not remotely able to support themselves. $10 an hour in a 40 hour work week is $20,800 a year. You want to live on that?
Ge_K1
12/3/2015 9:45 AM EST
"You want to live on that?" -- Letsbefrank 
 
Some years my income *was* barely more than $20,000, others 4 or 5+ times that. And, yes, in the lower--income years, I preferred earning lower income to earning less or nothing! 
 
"You have missed the point entirely." -- Letsbefrank 
 
1. But, you've created or invented a "point". The article does not state that all or even most new jobs paid only $10 an hour; you just made that up. For example, "Sue Thomas ... now makes $16 per hour at Golden Dragon."  
 
And, as stated in the WaPo article, " 'Nobody wants to go back to less than nothing,' Boykins said." 
 
2. Now, Letsbe..., it's you who seem to have missed my point, actually several points (not to mention some raised in the article). 
 
First, "$10 an hour" is better than $7.40/hr. (the state's minimum-wage); and "$20,800 a year" is better than $15,392/yr. 
Second, a job with a stable company is far more satisfactory and reassuring than working for a tiny, struggling quick mart (not to mention a chance of promotions, forming a union, etc.).  
Third, see the last paragraph in my comment, ("If lower-wage employees had ZERO income, no jobs...."). 
 
Capicé?
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keller1
12/2/2015 11:50 AM EST
"What went wrong with the Deep South?" 
 
Republicans. Enough said.
tyrannosaurus_in_f14
12/2/2015 11:48 AM EST
usa! usa! usa!
SouthernCommonSense
12/2/2015 11:48 AM EST
Very much one sided story which is what media do, dramatize and exaggerate. 
If Deshler thinks getting a 32% raise after a little over a year with a company is unfair, perhaps he should find him another job somewhere else. 
How many company in the US gives 32% raise within a year on the job? 
Major Barkison
12/2/2015 11:47 AM EST
I wonder if these low wage workers make the connection between their own poverty and those anti-union, right-to-work Republicans they keep electing. Time for a new great awakening of the labor movement.
TRANSIT54
12/2/2015 12:12 PM EST
I'm somewhat sympathetic to the 'right-to-work' argument you are making. But here's the problem: let's say the company fires you - the union is still obligated to defend you in disciplinary proceedings, despite never having been a member. That's just absurd. If you just want to right to work without a union, you need to go without the protections offered by one. But that's not how current legislation on the books works, which tells you that its not about 'your rights' but more about crushing unions.
Beatrix Kiddo
12/2/2015 12:15 PM EST
Nobody should ever be forced to take a union job, and nobody is proposing that. Competition and choice will sort things out. 
 
But this guy wants all of the perks and none of the costs. He wants to free-ride. Either for personal financial gain (at the expense of others) or the ideological goal of making it impossible for anyone to unionize. No thanks.
neighborhoodmole
12/2/2015 11:44 AM EST
In the novel "White Lotus," the US is conquered by China and people are rounded up and sold as slaves. Sounds like a slightly different version of that!
cryllix69
12/2/2015 11:43 AM EST
Dear Chico Harlan of The Washington Post 
 
Being a RAP or HIP-HOP Student in a Conservative Republican University in a Conservative Republican State, I know THE FEELING for many of these Southerners. 
 
For instance at MY Conservative Republican University, The Student Body & Administrators EMBRACED The Concepts of RIGHT-TO-WORK Labor Laws that limits The Power of Labor Union. 
 
At many Blue State Universities, many of The Students & Faculty belong to a Labor Union.
OldRetiredWhiteGuy
12/2/2015 12:04 PM EST
And your point is ...? (Other than that you know how to hit the Shift Key to Capitalize Random Words That Don't Need to Be Capitalized.)
gmg22
12/2/2015 11:42 AM EST
What's most amazing to me is that we've long been getting the Chinese to build our stuff for us for cheaper, but now they're apparently needing to do the same. Neither country is capable any longer of just building most of its own stuff? I guess there are wide enough differentials in a)the cost of manufacturing various things and b)the things our two economies specialize in that this makes sense to the economists and MBAs, but it looks pretty ridiculous from 20,000 feet. (Not to mention incredibly wasteful.)
Humpback
12/2/2015 12:29 PM EST
But the Chinese do not attract US companies with $200-million gift bags. Only GOP states are that stupid.
El.Conejo
12/2/2015 11:40 AM EST
What bothers me the most is foreign companies looking to America for cheap labor. If an American company wanted to build a plant in China it would need a Chinese Co. as a joint partner who owns 50%. Workers need learn to unionize, get better wages, means higher tax base, and that means better public schools.
Beatrix Kiddo
12/2/2015 11:45 AM EST
And then the factory moves elsewhere. This is what a race to the bottom looks like. Never are companies required to pay enough to provide for their employees' living expenses -- the government will make up the difference. So the bottom is pretty darn low. 
Through our fear of socialism, we've created something far less efficient.
Letsbefrank
12/2/2015 12:23 PM EST
Of course, modern Democratic Socialism has nothing to do with the Nazis. But don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.
albatross
12/2/2015 11:33 AM EST
the state made a deal with the devil but this guy helped dig his own hole. he won't leave the craphole area/state he lives in. get out.
ADNova
12/2/2015 11:37 AM EST
The journey of 1,000 miles begins with one step, towards the UHaul store.  
 
Confucius
Letsbefrank
12/2/2015 12:23 PM EST
And go where, and do what?
Epaminondas Vindictor
12/2/2015 11:32 AM EST
The South is an authoritarian culture, where the power structure is buttressed by Calvinist religion (which views God solely as a creature of power, rather than of justice). Meaningful economic change will come only when that establishment, the Bourbon Plutocracy, is overthrown. But before southerners can even think of doing that, the must learn that rather than revering power, that instead power corrupts, and that absolute power corrupts absolutely. 
 
Beatrix Kiddo
12/2/2015 11:31 AM EST
Free land. Free roads. No taxes for 20 years. $20 million in cash. All profits sent to China. 
 
Why is this "free-market" solution preferable to welfare again?
theAnswerIs42
12/2/2015 11:31 AM EST
This is Democracy working for the South. They vote for this, and this is what they get.
steveds1
12/2/2015 11:31 AM EST
The Southern economy has always relied on cheap labor living in third world conditions. Nothing new. And, as long as the owners do well, no need to change anything.
A_Cappella
12/2/2015 11:32 AM EST
And the blue giver states keep providing money for the red taker states.
ADNova
12/2/2015 11:27 AM EST
Anyone want to bet that the guy who owns the gun store in Wilcox makes a great living?
El.Conejo
12/2/2015 11:25 AM EST
Great story but sad at the same time. If states would only invest in public education instead seeing it as some sort of welfare than everyone wins.
A_Cappella
12/2/2015 11:34 AM EST
Yup, those vouchers will go a long way to help poor people get a good education. Yup, sure, uh-huh.
tigertime
12/2/2015 11:22 AM EST
Just wanted to congratulate the author. Beautiful writing. It just flows.
JudyJupiter
12/2/2015 11:19 AM EST
Why don't these people LEAVE that part of the country to a region that has jobs? 
I moved away from my home to town to spend decades in the "big city" putting myself through school and learning skills. I then moved cross-country to move up into management. Finally, I live in a peaceful, pretty place and make a wonderful living. If I had stayed home, I'd be poor.
angelas1
12/2/2015 11:38 AM EST
Um...because sometimes your family is your only safety net, and moving would require leaving them behind?  
 
Because if your house has a mortgage, there's no guarantee you can sell it in an economically depressed area and have any money left after you've paid off the mortgage?  
 
Because it would take several thousand dollars to relocate? If the guy with $1.15 in his bank account had several thousand dollars, he'd spend some of it on putting gas in his car.  
 
Were you childless and single when you relocated? It's harder to do when you have a spouse and children.
smithjr60
12/2/2015 11:18 AM EST
Funny how all these WaPo stories focus on the "deep south" and never the "northeast urban inner cities." I wonder why?
JudyJupiter
12/2/2015 11:20 AM EST
We've had loads of stories about inner cities. How did you learn about "northeast urban inner cities?" A crystal ball?
tigertime
12/2/2015 11:21 AM EST
Most people live in big cities and hear the stories everyday. This was an interesting story about somewhere different.
Spectator99
12/2/2015 11:11 AM EST
Our politicians have sold out our country to Wall Street and give away trade agreements. Time for a change, vote Bernie Sanders. Hillary is beholden to Wall St and this situation will NOT change under her "leadership".
Spectator99
12/2/2015 11:11 AM EST
Our politicians have sold out our country to Wall Street and give away trade agreements. Time for a change, vote Bernie Sanders. Hillary is beholden to Wall St and this situation will NOT change under her "leadership".
ADNova
12/2/2015 11:13 AM EST
Oh, that rallying cry is so September.
missusnatural
12/2/2015 11:10 AM EST
the republican plan is to turn the USA into feudal corporate estates.
Libby52
12/2/2015 11:07 AM EST
These are the jobs of the current recovery. These are the faces behind the statistics of decreasing underemployment - or more correctly, increasing underemployment. There is nothing in this for the U.S. worker or, longer-term, egalitarian government. We are in debt to foreign countries and now our real estate and job market is increasingly owned by them. On a person-to-person level, we have enjoyed feeling closer to other cultures. All the easier for those on a business level to scoop-up places in our graduate schools, and to exploit our natural resources, including it now appears - cheap labor. Paybacks, as someone noted? Perhaps. Facilitated by a leader who, like many overeducated cosmopolitans, has no real connection to Americans of any color who live in rural poverty. In the sixties they came to the south and opened doors, some died in the cause, but most left quickly. Scurrying back to their big cities and public sector jobs having padding their law-school resumes. So things in the South are much the same as they were. Corrupt local leadership lining their pockets. And as long as it stays contained in those (shame on them - Goldwater states) who outside of the south really cares? 
ODKoik
12/2/2015 11:06 AM EST
Any taxpayer funded assistance to companies or citizens should be tied to desired behaviors. The company should get assistance if they provide the types of jobs promised. No up front benefits or payment. Citizens should also have to meet criteria to receive other citizen's money.
AdventurerVA
12/2/2015 11:06 AM EST
"Days before the vote, Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley (R) wrote a letter to Golden Dragon employees, saying that unionizing could have a “negative impact on your community by discouraging other companies from locating there.” Good for the employees for starting a union in the face of all that pressure. Hope they remember who opposed them in the next election.
Jeff From Georgia
12/2/2015 11:04 AM EST
The Chinese are no different than the US companies that export manufacturing to other countries to save money. We are getting a taste of our own medicine.
gelezinas vilkas
12/2/2015 11:04 AM EST
ADNova has it right: a Darwinistic way at looking at these problems IMHO is the best approach. 
Sure, many of us would rather live in a bucolic rural setting, away from the fast paced nature and noise of big cities. This Deshler fellow walked away from a job in Montgomery that would've secured him a middle class life, but he didn't like city life.  
Welcome to the club. I can't tell you how many friends I've made over the years who arrived in Washington from places like southern Virginia, the Appalachias or rural counties of Pennsylvania. They all complained at first about traffic, increased noise, lack of ties to their communities like they had back home. And of course, they missed hunting. 
But they stayed, and the reason was the money. One friend, who 30 years ago was working at a Zenith TV plant in rural PA for a little over $4/hr., moved to Washington, finished his GED, and eventually got a job in a machinist shop where computers ran the lathes. After first working on the floor, he trained himself to learn how to operate those computers, got promoted to a supervisory position and is now making more then $55,00 a year. It's not great wealth, but with a wife who makes approximately the same amount, he's solidly in the middle class. 
Big city life has its drawbacks, but the pay will always be better. There's no good reason for some of these young people to hang on to a dream of living where they prefer when that dream guarantees living barely above the poverty line. Head east young man to Atlanta, or west to Houston, San Antonio or Dallas. 
If you save your money and invest it well, you can always retire to the places you love---if there are any doctors and/or hospitals left in some of these blighted rural counties in the future.
ADNova
12/2/2015 10:51 AM EST
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest the answer to this young man's economic problems will not come from the classifieds in this months Field and Stream magazine. Although he is probably dangerously close to thinking that investing in a worm farm is a good idea.
gelezinas vilkas
12/2/2015 11:19 AM EST
Dang, I was going to invest in a shiitake mushroom growing idea proposed by my uncle. We were going to try it out on our family property in PA. Grow iguanas too. (Salvadorans pay good money for iguana meat). Maybe we should just run with the "build a hunting lodge and they will come" concept, lmao.
ADNova
12/2/2015 11:25 AM EST
Hey, people pay big bucks to shoot dove in Argentina and play golf in Scotland. Maybe what we need is to build a golf course that allows you to keep a shotgun in your bag. If you're going to be outside for 5 hours there's no reason you can't multitask.
Tesla18
12/2/2015 10:51 AM EST
He was making $3.75. The copper plant came. He's making $14.75.  
 
A woman who had previously commuted two hours every day for a $7.75-per-hour job at a corn dog factory. A couple with five children that had roamed the country for years, filling in anywhere manufacturers were on strike. A single mother who had worked back-to-back eight-hour fast food shifts, rising every day at 3 a.m. 
 
Was WAPO too busy to check the economic impact on the area? Where are those numbers?
JimC45
12/2/2015 10:46 AM EST
"A couple with five children..." 
 
What is WRONG with these people???
rdcurbow
12/2/2015 10:50 AM EST
You've got to remember that in The South kids don't get sex education. And, Planned Parenthood demonized. So what do you expect? I have a 19-year old niece with a 3-year old child. Unmarried, but living with the father - who works at a chicken farm.Minimum wage jobs for both. I escaped Mississippi in 1978, but most of my classmates still live there - with the jobs described here.
Tesla18
12/2/2015 11:09 AM EST
"You've got to remember that in The South kids don't get sex education." What do I expect? No unmarried parents in big cities like Chicago, Detroit, New York, etc.? Don't you yankees get sex education?
ADNova
12/2/2015 11:26 AM EST
Funny, my dad explained to me where babies come from.
Beatrix Kiddo
12/2/2015 10:51 AM EST
Hormones and abstinence-only education, most likely.
Beatrix Kiddo
12/2/2015 10:59 AM EST
I don't know, but it's definitely better than it would be under abstinence only.
Beatrix Kiddo
12/2/2015 11:05 AM EST
Because you want me to compare apples (rural) to oranges (urban), whereas I've seen apples-to-apples comparisons of abstinence-only vs comprehensive sex-ed and know the latter is far more effective at preventing unplanned pregnancy and stopping the spread of STDs (due to the uncontroversial notion that knowledge is power).
Beatrix Kiddo
12/2/2015 11:15 AM EST
I know that education educates people better than the absence of education. And you can use this thing called "google" to find the facts I'm alluding to.
dcnationals1
12/2/2015 10:44 AM EST
The data in the maps is revealing. It tells the story.
diogenes_jr
12/2/2015 10:39 AM EST
imagine how much money we'll have when we're all working for nothing
dkbennett
12/2/2015 10:37 AM EST
WAPO sitting in judgement of the red states again I see.
Grandpa Dog
12/2/2015 10:39 AM EST
No news here, let's just get back to bellyaching about Obabamama then.
crose1
12/2/2015 10:39 AM EST
Perhaps you'd like to share some facts here that WaPo is misrepresenting or missing?
Tesla18
12/2/2015 10:46 AM EST
How about the disparity in the compensation between Deshler and Thomas? Why no explanation? And if he's capable of running the entire machine department, why can't he find a better job? Sounds like he can't leave home. I know lots of people who make the sacrifice, move when required, work where required and who are no better prepared than Deshler. You can't say, "I'm staying here. I'm working 8 - 5. I'm not going to night school. I'm not getting a second job. My wife is going to stay at home and raise as many kids as I want." And then not expect consequences.
ADNova
12/2/2015 10:39 AM EST
Giving Newark and Baltimore residents a reason to feel superior between ducking gunfire.
the american
12/2/2015 10:37 AM EST
So the Chinese are doing to us what we did for decades to others, they come here for cheap labor, and corporate welfare, exploiting the Reaganesque principle that the water will lift all the boats together.
Calvin M
12/2/2015 10:40 AM EST
That only works in a closed body of water. 
 
The third world drainage ditch below us is lifting just fine.
PeterMelzer
12/2/2015 10:46 AM EST
The tides are higher in some places than others.
ADNova
12/2/2015 10:46 AM EST
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ADNova
12/2/2015 10:37 AM EST
This will sound darwinistic but maybe places like Wilcox county, if they can't figure things out, are supposed to die off. This is what happened in the past. Sometimes the answer to your problems is as simple as renting a UHaul. No place has an inherent right to exist if they're failing economically.
Grandpa Dog
12/2/2015 10:40 AM EST
A god fearing person appears to be turning to Darwin for inspiration!
diogenes_jr
12/2/2015 10:36 AM EST
if you think of the "new world" as one big plantation, you're mostly correct
PeterMelzer
12/2/2015 10:35 AM EST
Chinese nationals make up the most prevalent chunk of international students at US colleges and universities. Yet, this company sends engineers that can't speak a word English and share trailers and - I must say seemingly primitive - barracks on the premises. Does not that strike anyone odd?  
 
Perhaps it wants to tell us something about the company's culture.
angelinvestor
12/2/2015 10:38 AM EST
...or that none of the Chinese employees wanted to work in that part of Alabama. Would you?
dont_believe_the_hype
12/2/2015 10:39 AM EST
It seems to fit the pattern of frugality this company has and is probably not different from how a factory sitting in China operates. Remember, China wrote the book on lost-cost manufacturing.
PeterMelzer
12/2/2015 10:54 AM EST
They studied Marx.
ANONS
12/2/2015 10:34 AM EST
The article implies that simply spending more on public education will solve the problem. Not necessarily. Even if the public schools in Alabama are top notch if the students are lazy and refuse to study at home they aren't going to learn much. You can't simply throw money at a problem and expect it to be solve. If the parents of the school children themselves are lazy and will never open a book, they'll pass on the same bad habits to their children. Alaska spends a lot on public education but the school children don't do well in standardized tests.
Grandpa Dog
12/2/2015 10:38 AM EST
Appreciate if you explained what you had in mind to address this issue of laziness.
ANONS
12/2/2015 10:40 AM EST
I don't have a solution to this problem. It's an age old problem with poverty.
Grandpa Dog
12/2/2015 10:47 AM EST
I got it, it's just another age old problem that cannot be solved. Let's move on to the real problem facing America, ... er, lazy Liberals, anyone?
Dave the Rave
12/2/2015 10:33 AM EST
The only local people who benefit from tax breaks to foreign firms are the politicians whose palms get greased.
Deborah Thuman
12/2/2015 10:32 AM EST
Payback. US corporations moved to Third World countries, exploited workers, kept costs down and executive bonuses up. Now, former Third World countries are building manufacturing plants in the US. They get enormous tax breaks - leaving the people of the community with higher tax bills. They pay as little as possible to keep desperate, poor, workers working.
DLC1220
12/2/2015 10:28 AM EST
I made less working full-time retail pharmacy in Harford County with four degrees. Thankfully I got a new job after 5 years where I make double, but I'm still $25,000 short of what I was making in 2009 when I was laid off...It's not just the south.
FwMystic
12/2/2015 10:28 AM EST
I know this might sound strange to someone who lives in a government town like Washington DC, but any job is better than no job and there is dignity in being gainfully employed, learning skills and moving up the ladder.
dont_believe_the_hype
12/2/2015 10:33 AM EST
This is true, but it doesn't seem that GD Copper offers any of that: learning skills (that can translate into mobility) and moving up the ladder. These seem like dead end jobs. I have always had the prospect of advancement at every job I have ever held and the comfort of knowing that in 5 years, I will be making more money than I am now (measured in thousands of dollars, not cents). I can't imagine what it feels like to get a promotion and a .75 raise. It doesn't seem very dignified to me.
Calvin M
12/2/2015 10:52 AM EST
It feels better than food stamps. 
ChairmanX
12/2/2015 10:37 AM EST
Then again....Joe Pescia said "If you had any heart you be out stealing for a living." In other words...there is no dignity in being exploited.
FwMystic
12/2/2015 10:28 AM EST
I know this might sound strange to someone who lives in a government town like Washington DC, but any job is better than no job and there is dignity in being gainfully employed, learning skills and moving up the ladder.
diogenes_jr
12/2/2015 10:26 AM EST
God help the women and children
HookedOnThePost
12/2/2015 10:24 AM EST [Edited]




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