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To Mr. Guy Nelson the CEO of Empire Industries Ltd.

已有 142 次阅读2016-1-27 15:15 |个人分类:Frank's Writings

To Mr. Guy Nelson the CEO of Empire Industries Ltd.

                 Frank   Aug. 18, 2015 in Waterloo, On. Ca.


    For our home place Canada, long waiting for medical treatment, businesses closing or out moving, the downturn of oil price-dragged economy and more such disappointments are all not natural, not inevitable, but all reversible, if we work on it.

 In the same place with same group people, ISO50001 made 3M Canada save energy 30% clearly shows that, in Canada, the poor management is the main cause of businesses decline, and the defined accountability of putting responsible tag on the forehead of individual is the key measure to reverse the low productivity.

 In the same social culture of Canada, the achievement of ISO50001 inspire us that, the poor governance is main cause for most social disappointments.

 The defined accountability can arouse people’s self-esteem to improve their work ethic, which will save more businesses, and, thus certainly can improve down trended economy.

 Do not put our hope on any others! Do not waste any time to persuade others.

 The hope is on us - ourselves, let start now. 

                  --- Frank  Aug. 25, 2015 in Waterloo, On. Ca.


In limited life span, a person's contribution to society, in a large extent, is not capacity, but vision. It is that the unlimited vision drives the limited capacity in a limited life time to create greater contribution.

                  --- Frank  Aug. 21, 2015 in Waterloo, On. Ca.   


Contents

1. The rational view of Mr. Guy Nelson on the relation of Canada and China

2. It is that politics intervention caused terrorism spreading out of control 

3. Populist-led democracy has failed economy of Canada

4. Let business and politics to go on different lane 

5. The global trend will help launch a new Era for entrepreneurs

  5.1. Canada needs the wisdom of China not only the market

    5.2. China will welcome cooperation with the business of Canada  

    5.3. The global trend will help launch a new Era for entrepreneurs

6. What is the best investment?

 6.1. The majority of social unrest caused by financial economy over plundering real economy

 6.2. The speculators are destroying the foundation of Canadians survival

 6.3. The best investment is the manufacturer

    6.4. Canada lagged the United States in attracting manufacturers from China

 6.5. Canada needs self-improvement for attracting more manufacturers

7. Mr. Guy Nelson can play a role as that of politicians can not play

8. Politician and business blames each other for incompetence in the market of China

9. Worsening global economy provides favorable support for Mr. Guy Nelson

10. Canada needs an Industry 4.0

11. About Guy Nelson and Empire Industries Ltd

 

     Aug. 18, 2015, I deeply moved by the view of the Executive Chairman & CEO of Canada based Empire Industries Ltd., Mr. Guy Nelson about dealing with the relation between Canada and China from the articles Canada businesses impatient for China growth as Harper promotes trade ties and Despite diplomatic issues, Harper receives warm welcome in China.

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1. The rational view of Mr. Guy Nelson on the relation of Canada and China

 

    Mr. Nelson who sees China as a huge opportunity for his company, noting theme parks planned by Walt Disney Co and Universal Studios in China, but said bumpy relations between the two countries hurt business. 

    Following are some comments of Mr. Guy Nelson.

    "I think (problems) can get blown out of proportion. They can be easily fixed if people are talking, they are not easily fixed if you don't talk."

    "Canada has to not try to impose our values excessively on this country."     

    "How China chooses to run its country is their business. We can as friends advise from time to time, but you can't advise your friends if you're not talking. So it is better to be engaged."   

    "The government-to-government relationship is so important in China.

    "There have been some irritants between the two countries so it is important to have face-to-face meetings. Impediments are not good and need to be resolved. The problems were easy to fix.    

    “We have to recognize China for the country if wants to be, or is already, and not impose our values. How they wish to run their country is their business.

  From the comments, we can learn the rational philosophy of Mr. Guy Nelson.

  The national relation is just as that of friend's relation. Friend's relation is associated from the mutual understanding by talking, no talking will be no friends. Among the friends, nothing should be forced, but only kindly advices. 

 The leaders of a country should be full hearted on improve the life of own nationals, and not act as the street boys, irrational, reckless; always want to show muscle, to seek fight for winning a number one.

 To make enemies as good friends is the real hero.

 The rational view of Mr. Guy Nelson made me feel as a breath of fresh air in the dull atmosphere and motivated me eagerly to write this article. 

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2. It is that populist politics caused terrorism spreading out of control 

 

    The comments inspired me think of the famous Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence:

     1. Mutual respect for each other's territorial integrity and sovereignty. 

     2. Mutual non-aggression. 

     3. Mutual non-interference in each other's internal affairs. 

     4. Equality and cooperation for mutual benefit. 

     5. Peaceful co-existence.

    Faced with the wave of decolonization and national independence after the WWII, the government of China proposed the Five Principles firstly and to be signed as formal codification in treaty form between China and India in 1954, later it was subsequently incorporated in modified form in a statement of ten principles issued in April 1955 at Asian-African Conference in Bandung, Indonesia.

    The five principles were very rational. Even if, we take the state relations simply as that of the folk knowledge in our daily life, as that of the relations of the neighborhoods, the rational people will never intervene in the internal affairs of other people's families. 

    Suppose in the tone of Mr. Guy Nelson that should be as that how your neighbors wish to live their life is their business.

    This is the basic condition for a peaceful quiet neighborhood.

    We can imagine that, if the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence are respected by all countries, the world would be very different and would be more peaceful.

    The historical world's riots, the current terrorism spreading out of control, are mainly due to the results of those ignorant democratic politicians, in directly or indirectly, to impose their own values to other countries.

Only the entrepreneurs as Mr. Guy Nelson, those who are hardly managing the businesses - the basic cell of economy of Canada can understand that what the essence for Canada is. Canada should stay out of politics of other countries, to pay all attention on how to rescue low-oil-price dragged economy.

I appreciate the rational of Mr. Guy Nelson very much. 

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3. Populist-led democracy has failed economy of Canada

 

In the similar international economic environment, the achievements of natural resource scarce Singapore and Germany reflect the incompetence of natural resource rich Canada.

Great many facts show that, in the populist-led democratic society, there few Politicians are rational, they are lesser concerning about how to well develop economy, but, only care about how to get the favor of the voters, and how to ensure that they can continue to enjoy political privilege, and to enjoy the political show.

As a rational entrepreneur, Mr. Guy Nelson would never concern with the political game, but the concern of its negative effect on the development of the business, and more significantly, his concern of the development of businesses relates to the long term development of economy of Canada, ultimately which decides the long term fate of all Canadians, such as:

The Canada Pension Plan - CPP provides security for retirement life when we aged too old to make a living any more, which relates to the vital interests of all Canadians, but, it facing challenge now. 

    In 2014, there 96% of its funds is from the defined benefit pension plan - the employer-sponsored retirement plan. However, for years, the employers are disappearing with business closure and moving out of Canada.

That today tragedy of the Greek Pensioner shoots himself to refuse to search for food in garbage may be the tomorrow of Canadians. We must take every effort to avoid it happen in Canada.

In high developed welfare country Canada, people seem not be aware the crucial situation for their retirement “They are better prepared for death than for life in the years following the end of work.” 

The sad warning is from onfinancial planner of Alberta couple who are well insight into the sad life situation of some retired Canadians from their work experiences with great many real cases.

For this concern, that increases employers and revenue is the only way.

In the practice, besides that improves business environment to protect businesses from closure and moving out, we also need to increases the number of businesses. 

In this regard, for great many years, the rational Mr. Guy Nelson, has been struggling on a right track.

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4. Let business and politics to go on different lane 

 

Here, I would like to provide some considerations about developing the economy of Canada.

Politics is a political game that politicians have to play; populist-led democracy has dominated the personal will of the politicians. It is not easy to persuade politicians to turn on our desired way, because of, before tasting the enjoyable benefits; it is difficult to change the opinion of voters.

Such reality may make us disappointed due to that only the politician controlled government has the ability to make policies for dealing with the relation of other countries and for social advancement to be enforced by the power of State Apparatus.

That is to say, once left the politicians of the government, the entrepreneurs will be unable to move an inch step in improvement of relations with other countries and outdated society.

However, the down-turned economic situation will enforce the politicians to have to support the civil or non-government attempts that are conducive for the development of economy, in which way; we may get rid of their negative influence.

 Besides the improvement of domestic business environment, the immediate strategy is to organize the entrepreneurs of Canada to visit China again, to face to face talking with corporate counterparts of China.

 No matter what country, no matter what cultural background, as entrepreneurs, the hard experience is similar, so they will easily understand each other, and will support each other full heartedly, which will provide confidence of each other. The psychological support is more important.

 Mr. Guy Nelson are right; only talking can reach mutual understand; only talking can establish friendship, by which way to establish a fast lane - a platform for mutual support between entrepreneurs of two countries. 

There is a saying in China, to make economic relation hot regardless political relation cold.

It means that business is business, politics is politics; let them to go to on different lane. 

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5. The global trend will help launch a new Era for entrepreneurs

 

China is known as an only country with 5,000 years of continuous civilization, but, people may not know that the value is not in the big number of years, but in the continuously written records.

 

5.1. Canada needs the wisdom of China not only the market

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The written records of historical experiences of failure and success provide a reference for future generations. The accumulation of experiences is wisdom, which can help future generations to avoid committing previous mistakes.

The leaders of China ended the cold war between China and the United States by ping-pong diplomacy. People say that was to rotate the Earth with a small ball. Today, I would like to say that was the historical wisdom of China advanced history of the world.

For the wit and wisdom of the former Prime Minister of China Zhou Enlai, the U.S. former President Richard Nixon appreciated very much, he once said that American history is too shallow to produce the man as Zhou Enlai.

That democratic politicians put their own values on other countries is the results of lack of wisdom.

 

5.2. China will welcome cooperation with the business of Canada  

 

The report that Despite diplomatic issues, Harper receives warm welcome in China has clearly proved that the leaders of the Government of China are rational, they are never as childish as that of politicians in the populist democracy.

The visit of Canadian entrepreneurs will be not only welcomed by the entrepreneurs of China, also the government in all levels. Since that big free trade market of North American is also that they are eagerly to develop.

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5.3. The global trend will help launch a new Era for entrepreneurs

 

The conservative consciousness of people is the biggest obstacle for social progress, only after that cruel reality forces the people updating their ideology, the society would produce the potential for progress. The potential is from the social development trends based on the ideology of people.

The potential from the social development trend is the essential force for social advancement.

Historically, whether the West or the East, some individuals were able to promote the progress of history, were all the results of smart use of the potential of social development trends.

The cross-border business development is a global trend, and it is also the social development trend.

The effort for mutual benefit and attempt for win-win will get the support of both government officials and entrepreneurs of Canada and China. It destined to success.

The effort for building a friend relation of two countries will be acted as that of starting a domino, it will achieve a greater effect with a lighter trigger.

Enabling global development trends will help Mr. Guy Nelson to launch a new Era - the Era that Canadian entrepreneurs can do right business to rescue the economy of Canada with lesser negative impact of politics.

Here, now, I should note that, the reason that I write to you today is because you have a strong ideology for business exchanges with China.

In particular, I would like to say that, I am sure, as a visionary entrepreneur, the vision of Mr. Guy Nelson is certainly not limited in only the business opportunity of Empire Industries Ltd., but the broad scope cooperation with China.

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6. What is the best investment?

 

Besides seeking the opportunity for business development, Mr. Guy Nelson should also be actively seeking the investment from China.

The investment is not a non-selective, but, the one that is most conducive to healthy development of economy.

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6.1. The majority of social unrest caused by financial economy over plundering real economy

 

Aug. 24, 2014, in the article Over-heated real estate market is ruining Canadian economy from Japan mirroring Canada, I indicate that: “The Real Economy is concerned with actually producing goods and services. Financial economy is concerned with buying and selling on the financial markets to make money by money.”

“Nowadays, the vast majority of social unrest is associated with the difficulties in life, which is not mainly due to the shortage of the social wealth, but the unequal distribution of wealth in society that caused by speculators over plundering on the real economy with financial instruments, the over heated real estate market is playing such a role.”

“The rapid flow of huge amount of the international hot money is legally plundering on the real economy with the power to easily destroy a nation's economy.”

    “People will not forget the 1997 Asian financial crisis that gripped much of East Asia and raised fears of a worldwide economic meltdown due to financial contagion.”

“August 1997, in the article Currency "sabotage" should be an international crime, the writer Martin Khor said that:”

“Dr. Mahathir said he was disappointed that while certain people championed human rights, the same people allowed those like Soros to undermine the economies of not just countries but regions.”

"'We have worked 30 to 40 years to develop our countries to this level, but along comes a man with a few billion dollars and who in a period of just two weeks, has undone most of the work we have done. And as a result, the people of our countries suffer.’"

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6.2. The speculators are destroying the foundation of Canadians survival

 

June 14, 2015, in the article The speculators are destroying the foundation of Canadians survival, I indicate that”

“The most Governments in the world are facing financial shortfalls. As my view, it is not a problem of short in money at all, but in thought, in philosophy.”

    “The currency in circulation is not too little, but too much. However, it is used in wrong way that is not in real economy, but in plundering Real Economy world widely.”

    “As same as that of issuing money, foreign investments can also trigger inflation. The greedy-driven international hot money is passing inflation world widely.”

    “If we allow foreign speculators to buy our properties and natural resources, it will not only make us suffer inflation, but, more deadly is that make us lose the foundation for survival.”

    “The domestic profit-driven speculators speculate on properties and natural resources are playing similar role of destroying the foundation of Canadians survival.”

    “The foundation for survival is not just the material wealth that meets survival, but the appropriate environment for the development of real economy - the businesses that are actually producing goods and related services.”

    “For example, high housing prices in Vancouver are squeezing real economy - business and labour out. Greedy speculators are destroying the foundation of the survival of Vancouver.”

“A country's economy can not rely on the support of speculation.”

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6.3. The best investment is the manufacturer

 

April 29, 2015, in the article Canada's economy is faced at vital crossroads, I indicate that:

"Manufacturer (Company or Enterprise) is the basic cell and main driving force of the real economy by integrating the intelligence, Capital, Knowledge, Technology, and Market together to play the role as protagonists of scientific and technological innovation."

"Manufacturer is the organizer of large-scale socialized production, it organizing and training social members to create material wealth with providing jobs for social members make living and tax revenue for social governing, thus to create a stable community, by which that people can work and live to enjoy a prosperous life."

”Manufacturer is the cornerstone of social stability and sustained progress."

Only the investment of manufacturer with their mature technology, the best-selling products, technical team, funds and markets can rapidly form a satisfied scale of employment and tax revenue." 

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6.4. Canada lagged the United States in attracting manufacturers from China

 

In the article Canada's economy is faced at vital crossroads, I indicate that:

"Global availability in manufacturer resources are limited, the competition for such resources is unique world war with no smoke, no surrender, only win or death. Canada must do everything possible to win the war. Now, a lot of such investment from China is being taken away by Europe and the United States."

    "Now, please look at the achievements of our great neighbour and major competitors." 

    "May 2015, the U.S. National Committee on US-China Relations issued investigation report New Neighbors: Chinese Investment in the US by Congressional District:

"The recent wave of Chinese FDI has brought new Chinese neighbors to towns across America: From 2000 to 2014, Chinese firms spent nearly $46 billion on new establishments and acquisitions in the US, most of it in the past five years. As of the end of 2014, we count 1,583 establishments by Chinese firms in the US, stretching across all regions of the country."

"Chinese-affiliated companies now directly employ more than 80,000 Americans: The recent US expansion of Chinese companies means more than 80,000 Americans are on Chinese company payrolls, up from fewer than 15,000 five years ago. These figures do not include indirect employment during construction or at suppliers, which would add tens of thousands of additional jobs."

"Chinese companies are contributors to American innovation and competitiveness: There is no evidence that Chinese investors are moving high value-added activities back to China."

“The United States is competing with dozens of other attractive economies including Europe, Australia, Canada, and Brazil for these new capital flows. Recent years have seen greatly stepped-up local-level effort by mayors, governors, and other local officials to attract these new investors to the neighborhood.”

"More significantly, as my view, great many companies of China that have faint idea in a hesitant state for going to the United States will seek advice from those companies that already operate in the United States, so as to be encouraged to build confidence and determination, thus will form a multiplier effect as rolling snowball."

"Clearly, this time, in terms of attracting the investment of China, the Americans are wise up and won. It is the great achievement of U.S. local-level effort by mayors, governors, and other local officials to attract new investors to their neighbourhood."

"The report has sounded the warning bell for Canada."

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6.5. Canada needs self-improvement for attracting more manufacturers

 

In the article Canada's economy is faced at vital crossroads, I indicate that:

"Start ups and innovations are too slow to achieve a basic scale, so that helps existing Canadian manufacturers growing up and attracts foreign manufacturers coming in is the money-time-saving short-cut for boosting economy."

"However, in current Canada's business environment, even local companies are closing down, how the foreign companies will survive?"

"Learn from China, to set special economic zone with government authorization of fast and flexible policy-making independently, by which to avoid democratic politics that can not act swiftly and decisively under endless bickering."

With forged good business environment, to select and invite manufacturer world widely to root in Canada. 

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7. Mr. Guy Nelson can play a role as that of politicians can not play

 

    I hope that Mr. Guy Nelson can play as an active fighter in the war of attracting manufacturers into Canada.

    Outstanding entrepreneurs will pay more effort on improving the economy of the country and the world widely, due to they have rational sense that a good social economic environment is the basic foundation for the health development of the enterprise.

    Management is the Art of Playing Human Nature, which is to finish purposeful tasks with human culture nature driven by meeting human animal nature with payment under the enforcement of regulations. 

    Enterprise acts as an automatic train, that careful designed management system with work-contribution related incentives under accurate accountability is the reliable track.

    A successful entrepreneur will never to be caught up in the chores of business daily operation, but, will have plenty of free time to put the vision in the development of the national economy and to seek for developing the business in broader international market space.

    I am sure that Mr. Guy Nelson possesses the potential as a successful entrepreneur. 

    As a key initiator and organizer of successful non-government business fast lane of two countries, Mr. Guy Nelson will certainly gain the significant personal potential in both of friendship and reputation in China and Canada. The personal potential will help Mr. Guy Nelson to play a role as that of politicians can not play.  

    The successful social activities of entrepreneur, at the time boosting the national economy, also are the best promotion for own business and will be better than that of other way by paying big sum of advertising fee.

    Enterprise management is not technology, but art, with a wide range of creative space.

                   --- Frank   Aug. 18, 2015 in Waterloo, On. Ca.

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8. Politician and business blames each other for incompetence in the market of China

 

    Aug. 21, 2015, I read Nov. 07, 2014 article Prime Minister Stephen Harper stumps for Canadian exporters. It reports that when was China trip with Harper in 2014, International TradeMinister Ed Fast said: "When we look to China, which will soon be the biggest economy in the world, we look at the most populous country in the world, and I have to ask Canadian businesses: Why not China? Why aren't we doing business in China?"

Viewing from the comments of the Chief Executive Officer Mr. Guy Nelson and the International Trade Minister Ed Fast, it is obvious, in Canada, for inefficient trade effort with big market of China, the business community and the government officials seem to blame each other.

    The comments of the gentlemen, I think, were due to that they were being personally in China and being moved by social vitality, great changes and advanced social infrastructure facilities. In particular, for them who live in Canada, a society that is too conservative, there is not much change for a long-time.

    Brand new China gave them a brand new sense, and more significantly it aroused their desire for changing own home place - Canada.. 

    It is also obvious, in Canada, the eager desire for developing the market of China, the businesses and the politicians is the same.

                   --- Frank   Aug. 21, 2015 in Waterloo, On. Ca.

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9. Worsening global economy provides favorable support for Mr. Guy Nelson

 

This morning Aug. 23, 2015, I read Aug 21, 2015 article Stocks plunge on global-growth fears; Dow enters correction and Aug 21, 2015 Oil prices fall below $40 a barrel for first time since 2009. It is obvious that oil-prices dragged economy of Canada will deepen in worse.

It said that there are always two sides to everything. The unfavorable economic reality will provide favorable support for the efforts of Mr. Guy Nelson. And also, there is no time to hesitate to take action for Mr. Guy Nelson

                         --- Frank   Aug. 23, 2015 in Waterloo, On. Ca.

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10. Canada needs an Industry 4.0

 

 Jul 02, 2015, the article Justin Trudeau says Canada needs a manufacturing strategy said that: The federal government should be putting Canada's manufacturing potential in the spotlight, says Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau, who believes the country needs to have a national manufacturing strategy to help boost job prospects in places like southwestern Ontario.

 "We need to make sure that we're pitching Canadians' advantage over other countries to draw in global investment," he told CBC Radio's Afternoon Drive in an interview.

 Canada needs an a national manufacturing strategy, Canada needs an Industry 4.0.

 Follow are some articles that other countries in action.

 Industrie 4.0 - smart - Germany Trade & Invest.

 ′Made in China 2025′ - The next stage of China′s economic rise?

 German-Chinese Industry 4.0 cooperation entails risks.

 Conference – Made in China 2025 meets German Industry 4.0.

Industry 4.0: The Fourth Industrial Revolution.


11. About Guy Nelson and Empire Industries Ltd. 

    Guy Nelson is the Executive Chairman & CEO of Empire Industries Ltd. Canada.
    Phone:  (416) 366-7977
    Email: gnelson@empind.com 

    Empire Industries Ltd. (Empire) is the parent holding company of a diversified mix of entities, all focused on adding value to steel. Publicly-traded on the Toronto Venture Exchange (EIL).

    Empires goal is to increase shareholders value by building strong businesses, growing profits organically and targeting strategic acquisitions in the steel fabrication and engineered products industries.

   The Company operates primarily in Western Canada, but has been involved in several high-profile projects worldwide including marquee property thrill rides, dramatic bridge spans, and complex mechanical and structural installations. 
    Empire Industries Ltd. manufactures specialized engineered products and sells these products domestically and in select international export markets. The company has developed, designed and engineered products for the rapidly growing, global, media based attractions market. The company also provides steel fabrication & installation services, primarily to the industrial, commercial and infrastructure market in Western Canada. 

    The company also has two key strategic equity partnerships; a 49% ownership of ACE Industrial Services that operates in the oil sands industrial maintenance services market, and a 45% ownership of a Chinese joint venture company in the steel fabrication market in Asia.

    Adding Value To Steel

    Empire Industries Ltd. is an industry leader in precision design, engineering, and manufacture of complex engineered products. Empire produces marquee theme park rides, complex mechanical and structural installations, hydrovac excavation trucks, and other complex industrial equipment.

    Empire has a wide range of experience across our subsidiary companies. For the most challenging steel projects, Empire adds value by pulling together our best resources from across several disciplines  helping to turn clients visions into works of steel.

    Engineered Products

    Dynamic Structures Ltd.

    Petrofield Industries Inc.

    Steel Fabrication & Erection

    Empire Iron Works Ltd.

    Parr Metal Fabricators Ltd.

    Maintenance Services

    ACE Industrial Services

    Lemax Machine & Welding Inc.

    For more information about the Company, visit www.empind.com

Creating Jobs and Supporting Families in the Tri-Cities

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=994609

 To Mr. Guy Nelson the CEO of Empire Industries Ltd. - 风萧萧 - Notebook of Frank

Minister Moore with Guy Nelson, CEO of Dynamic Structures and Empire Industries (left), and Greg Moore, Mayor of Port Coquitlam (right), during announcement of up to $70 million in funding.Minister James Moore announces major investment in local Port Coquitlam company to build and deliver the enclosure for one of the world’s largest, most advanced Earth telescopes

June 30, 2015 – Port Coquitlam, British Columbia

Today, the Honourable James Moore, Minister of Industry, Minister Responsible for British Columbia and Member of Parliament for Port Moody–Westwood–Port Coquitlam, announced that Dynamic Structures will receive up to $70 million to build and deliver the precision-steel enclosure of the Thirty Meter Telescope (TMT), one of the world's largest Earth-based telescopes. The Harper Government's investment will create approximately 125 new full-time, high-skill jobs within the company and its partner suppliers.

The TMT is a landmark international project to build one of the world's largest and most advanced astronomical observatories. The telescope will be built on Hawaii's Mauna Kea summit, which is an ideal site due to its high altitude and dry climate. It is already home to several international observatories.

Dynamic Structures is a Port Coquitlam company that designs and builds complex mechanical systems and specialty structures for world-class telescopes, theme park rides and bridges. It was selected to design, build and deliver the TMT's precision-steel enclosure—the spherical outer shell that will rotate on two planes to allow the opening of the dome to be perfectly located over the telescope. This novel design will shield the instrument from temperature variations and wind.

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    Faced with an world that is increasingly absurd with mindlessly plundering, killings, the arms race expandingwe have reason to ask that, on this Globe, is it a human world? If the answer is yes, then, we have reason to ask that, are we still the human beings?

                       --- Frank  Aug. 27, 2015 in Waterloo, On. Ca.



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