The comments followed Ontario's
new workplace laws will be 'profoundly negative' for an economy
already lacking competitiveness
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made comments as follow:· Ontario will ruin economy by the way that once ruined Britain
http://www.kwcg.ca/bbs/home.php?mod=space&uid=61910...
It is obvious; such policy will worsen extreme low productivity of Canada.
In comparison with the time that the origins of unions in 18th century Britain, nowadays, society has provided labors a comprehensive support of laws and welfares, and employers are legally enforced to pay variety of benefits, while business operation is more and more difficult, in such situation, the unions are still organize labors to strike for more by doing less, to make businesses closed or out-relocated, and thereby make people jobless, include union members themselves.
In 1897, German geographer Mr. Friedrich Ratzel who revealed that the natural expansion of strong states into areas controlled by weaker states was for expanding living space geographically. Now, in the Era of market economy, the living space has developed as market space; people compete for living space by competitive manufacturing.
For years, Canadians were in losing living space; due to the manufacturing were in disappearing.
Those lawmakers should refer to the experience of other countries to seriously analyze how to carry out effective social governance, to avoid following the failed road dust of others.
April 29, 2015, in article Canada's economy is faced at vital crossroads - http://www.kwcg.ca/bbs/home.php?mod=space&uid=61910..., I indicate that:
"Manufacturer (Company or Enterprise) is the basic cell and main driving force of the real economy by integrating the Intelligence, Capital, Knowledge, Technology, and Market together to play the role as protagonists of scientific and technological innovation."
"Manufacturer is the organizer of large-scale socialized production, it organizing and training social members to create material wealth with providing jobs for living making and tax revenue for social governing, thus to create a stable community, by which that people can work and live to enjoy a prosperous life."
From the social function of the enterprise, that who owns the enterprise is not important, it is important to ensure its healthy sustainable operation.
Jun 25 2013, in article My view on Entrepreneurs and Enterprises inspired by Peter Shoore-http://www.kwcg.ca/bbs/home.php?mod=space&uid=61910..., I indicate that:
"Enterprises are the important organization of social production to create material wealth for human survival, and the entrepreneurs invest their money to run the enterprises with a frugal living and risk taking, to provide employment for public living and revenue for social governing. Thus, their enterprises are to be shared publicly in playing the role as social wealth."
"In some extent, in fact, the Enterprise is shared to make living by Employees & Employers together."
"In view of this way, we can draw a general conclusion: it is that the means of production is not personal consuming goods, no matter who owns it, the owner only possesses the power of disposal or organization of the production of social material wealth."
"To view in this practical way, the Poor are not poor as some people complained; and the Rich are not rich as some people fantasized at all."
"The entrepreneur is the best social servant and the communist in the reality."
Now, our neighbor, the United States, the new president Mr. Trump who is hardly introducing policies to attract manufacturing to return to the United States, especially, to reduce the corporate tax to half.
The local officials of the U.S. are also hardly struggling to attract foreign manufacturers with the strong desire of making job for own citizen. Inspired by their rational practice, in Jan. 16, 2017; I once wrote article 62 cities of the United States compete for the investment of one manufacturer of China.
Now, our neighbor, the United States, the new president Mr. Trump who is hardly introducing policies to attract manufacturing to return to the United States, especially, to reduce the corporate tax to half.
The local officials of the U.S. are also hardly struggling to attract foreign manufacturers with the strong desire of making job for own citizen. Inspired by their rational practice, in Jan. 16, 2017; I once wrote article 62 cities of the United States compete for the investment of one manufacturer of China - ttp://www.kwcg.ca/bbs/home.php?mod=space&uid=61910&do=blog&id=4801.
In Canada, the primary task is to reverse people's misconceptions about business and entrepreneurs, especially the hostilities towards them.
Wrongful social ideological is the big enemy for developing economy.
It's unfortunate that such moves are targeted to sound good to the voter coming into an election year; voters that don't understand the economy and implications on business. Political demagoguery results in a lot of people voting against their own interests without even knowing it.
· Jonathan, in the U.S. they have a term for this called the "low information voter syndrome". The problem with the political system is people are so guilable to believe anything that comes out of a politicians mouth at election time. Combine this with the "my parents always voted for XYZ party so I'm voting the same" and you have a receipe for disaster. Our system is poor as well as elected politicians cannot be held accountable for their actions or lack thereof, but only at election time long after the damage has been done. We need a better system.
·
Dear Harvey Easton:
We really need a better system, but, the replacement of a system needs a revolution, so that it is definitely impossible. The key is at that how to make current government to play a little right role?
China did not replace their low efficient government, but instead to authorize a management team with independent policymaking in a limited area of economic zone, then by the convincing achievement to remove social resistance and update the policy nationally, in this roundabout way to reach policy updating without touch political system in step to step, without causing of social unrest.
Please look at the social governance and economy of those former socialist countries that have replaced system into democratic play, the facts show that there is no better system available at all.
The best way is to learn from China, under current system, to make some improvement in social governance by Authorize non-partisan Super Leadership to assist social governance http://www.kwcg.ca/bbs/home.php?mod=space&uid=61910...
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Frank
Li
Ontario will ruin economy by the way that once ruined
Britain
http://www.kwcg.ca/bbs/home.php?mod=space&uid=61910&do=blog&id=5292
It is obvious; such policy will worsen extreme low
productivity of Canada.
In comparison with the time that the origins of unions in
18th century Britain, nowadays, society has provided labors a comprehensive
support of laws and welfares, and employers are legally enforced to pay variety
of benefits, while business operation is more and more difficult, in such
situation, the unions are still organize labors to strike for more by doing
less, to make businesses closed or out-relocated, and thereby make people
jobless, include union members themselves.
In 1897, German geographer Mr. Friedrich Ratzel who revealed
that the natural expansion of strong states into areas controlled by weaker
states was for expanding living space geographically. Now, in the Era of market
economy, the living space has developed as market space; people compete for
living space by competitive manufacturing.
For years, Canadians were in losing living space; due to the
manufacturing were in disappearing.
Those lawmakers should refer to the experience of other
countries to seriously analyze how to carry out effective social governance, to
avoid following the failed road dust of others.
April 29, 2015, in article Canada's economy is faced at vital
crossroads - http://www.kwcg.ca/bbs/home.php?mod=space&uid=61910&do=blog&id=3703, I indicate that:
"Manufacturer (Company or Enterprise) is
the basic cell and main driving force of the real economy by integrating the
Intelligence, Capital, Knowledge, Technology, and Market together to play the
role as protagonists of scientific and technological innovation."
"Manufacturer is the organizer of
large-scale socialized production, it organizing and training social
members to create material wealth with providing jobs for living making and tax
revenue for social governing, thus to create a stable community, by which that
people can work and live to enjoy a prosperous life."
From the social function of the enterprise,
that who owns the enterprise is not important, it is important to ensure its
healthy sustainable operation.
Jun 25 2013, in article My view on Entrepreneurs and
Enterprises inspired by Peter Shoore-http://www.kwcg.ca/bbs/home.php?mod=space&uid=61910&do=blog&id=3805,
I indicate that:
"Enterprises are the important organization of social
production to create material wealth for human survival, and the entrepreneurs
invest their money to run the enterprises with a frugal living and risk taking,
to provide employment for public living and revenue for social governing. Thus,
their enterprises are to be shared publicly in playing the role as social
wealth."
"In some extent, in fact, the Enterprise is shared to
make living by Employees & Employers together."
"In view of this way, we can draw a general conclusion:
it is that the means of production is not personal consuming goods, no matter
who owns it, the owner only possesses the power of disposal or organization of
the production of social material wealth."
"To view in this practical way, the Poor are not poor
as some people complained; and the Rich are not rich as some people fantasized
at all."
"The
entrepreneur is the best social servant and the communist in the reality."
Now, our neighbor, the United States, the new
president Mr. Trump who is hardly introducing policies to attract manufacturing
to return to the United States, especially, to reduce the corporate tax to
half.
The local officials of the U.S. are also
hardly struggling to attract foreign manufacturers with the strong desire of
making job for own citizen. Inspired by their rational practice, in Jan. 16, 2017;
I once wrote article 62
cities of the United States compete for the investment of one manufacturer of
China - http://www.kwcg.ca/bbs/home.php?mod=space&uid=61910&do=blog&id=4801.
In Canada, the primary task is to reverse people's
misconceptions about business and entrepreneurs, especially the hostilities
towards them.
Wrongful social ideological is the big enemy for developing
economy.
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It's unfortunate that such moves are targeted to sound good to the voter coming into an election year; voters that don't understand the economy and implications on business. Political demagoguery results in a lot of people voting against their own interests without even knowing it.
· Jonathan, in the U.S. they have a term for this called the "low information voter syndrome". The problem with the political system is people are so guilable to believe anything that comes out of a politicians mouth at election time. Combine this with the "my parents always voted for XYZ party so I'm voting the same" and you have a receipe for disaster. Our system is poor as well as elected politicians cannot be held accountable for their actions or lack thereof, but only at election time long after the damage has been done. We need a better system.
· I will give this proposal of Wynnes one positive point... which is hard for me to swallow because I hate her and our inflated government so much lately.
Companies over the past 5-10 years have been chopping more and more full time positions and replacing them with part-time, contract or even casual contracts. Those are not situations where people can make a decent standard of living long-term with. Imposing minimum benefits to those non-fulltime positions will encourage business to post REAL jobs and not the disposable tickets they've made people into.
The banking center a family member worked for saw a 60% cut in staff, replaced with a lower job level, lower paid, no benefits group.... with technically MORE people so they could keep them away from full-time hours. Its a disgusting practice when those types of moves are unnecessary.
Other than the example above, I think the Liberals are out of their minds to think they can or should try to control the economy in such a way.
· Jonathan Pysanczyn: You identified and expressed correctly our situation in Ontario and Canada "Political demagoguery results in a lot of people voting against their own interests without even knowing it".
· I have a different take on this. The (left) government desires to grow the size of government (to insure re-election propects). These actions on the part of the Wynne government will reduce employment levels thereby creating a pool of permanently unemployed workers dependent on government social supports (guaranteed minimum income program). When you have more people on some form of government assistance, the argument being government needs to grow to take care of people on social assistance. Eventually everyone comes under (massive) state control.
· agreed. The size of the public payroll in Ontario contnues to grow. Not good.
Harvey: Exactly! Essentially the Ontario government is working towards creating an entire class of dependents that rely entirely on the state for their existence. They're doing to Ontarians what the federal government did to our natives in the 1800's. Roll forward a few generations and we'll have huge swaths of Ontario that look pretty much like what Attiwatiskap looks like today.
· Harvey....Well put, and proven so many times across the world and throughout history
It is ironic that those who do not participate in the private sector thnk they know the enhancements required for business. The reality of running a business is that personnel is often the most expensive component and any new over the top regulations put the most vulnerable worker at risk. Automation is spurred on by these initatives and the least educated worker suffers the most.
· Automation yes, and outsourcing to lower-cost locations. Bye-bye jobs.
...and bankruptcies for smaller family run businesses that don't have teh capital to automate or opportunity to move.
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· There is a radical--but emerging--solution to the massive government intrusion into business management...the "employee-less" company. But it requires a complete re-design of operations.
With the dramatic enhancements to communication, 3-D manufacturing, shipping and training, it is now much easier to DESIGN a company with few--if any--"employees". Employee-less companies are operating now. I own one. No payroll, no income tax remittances, no government...and much higher "wages". It's now fun to go to work--again!
We were the same. First as a sole proprietorship doing contract work, and then incorporated but working for the company for free, then paying ourselves dividends. Outside help hired on an invoiced basis as needed. Enormous amount of government-created paperwork eliminated.
Some one has to intervene on behalf of workers. There are to many employers out there that would like a return to Victorian Labour Laws or even earlier. As long as they are being fed the hell with every one else!
If people don't have jobs and make decent salaries, they don't have any money to buy all the available goods and services and the economy will eventually come to a screeching halt. As well, the government will not be able to collect enough taxes to pay for all government services that we all rely on, such as health care, education, policing, infrastructure, etc.
· Basically, the changes being considered mean longer waits at Macdonalds, convience stores and restaurants with some closing up. It also means any small parts and electronics assembly jobs will leave. Plus all home services we basically become owner operated with rates skyrocketing.
Most manufacturing and high end service won't be affected directly, but it will move a lot of people onto the street making more crime, poverty and panhandling.
But delusional progressive still hold to that fallacy of communism that the rich got there through cheating and the worker will not cheat and work hard no matter what they are paid.
Places like McDonald's, Panera, etc. are already coping by installing kiosks and providing apps for ordering, killing jobs usually filled by teens making some pocket money. Applebee's in the US has a tabletop unit that allows you to enter orders and pay without the need of a server. And so on. Make the humans more expensive and employers will switch to a less expensive alternative. What else would a reasonable, thinking person expect? And who loses? The people at the bottom.
· This sort of proposed regulation that's to be of great benifit to the workforce of Ontario , is what it seams just another Liberal lie to get you thinking that Queen Kathleen and her merry band of theives are caring and compassionate, all the wile adding to the destruction of the economy, so that you will do again what happened in the last election. Vote for a lying corrupt Liberal party all the while believing that they have your best interests at heart. Please remember that this Liberal party under 2 premieres have destroyed the economy over 15 years in power, with the resulting loss of more...See More · They want to destroy Canada to force us into a communist U.N dictatorship. Ever heard of Soros?
The slow destruction by socialistic policies of the Ontario economy continues. Those self serve restaurant kiosks you encounter in some locations will replace workers and other automation will be spurred to further eliminate humans.
Wynne is destructive, but then she leads an activist SJW government where ideology trumps everything. and the long term implications are indeeed negative. The Wynne government has outdone the former Rae socialists and beat them at their own game.
· Well written article that clarifies points for Employers suffering Angst and not being able to focus on why. Employee citizens have been conditioned to believe that only Politicians and Government can solve their problems. At some point, maybe we will wake up and recognize that it was the politicians who created the problems, not the employers.
· im shocked, absolutely shocked!!! you mean to tell me that a liberal policy is going to actually cause more damage than good. the hel! you say!!! they have always had the best interests of the rubes, err.....citizens of ontario at heart
· It's fantastic to get advice from a Liberal Government that does not have enough brains to run an ice-cold lemonade in the desert. The only thing that Wynne does well is spend other people's money. The less Liberal Government the better. Wynne should stop reaching into the taxpayer's pocket and resign now for the good of Ontario.
The incompetent and corrupt Socialist-Liberals in Greecetario are hell-bent on destroying that once great Province. Like all Socialists, they want a Government employee class (politicians and sunshine list) and a peasant class from which they steal more and more money via fees and taxes to pay for their Liberal and sunshine list extravagant lifestyles. All you have to do is look at Cuba or Venezuela to find out what eventually happens, and it is happening very quickly to the average Ontario citizen. Shame on the lying Fiberals and those who vote for them
Hey Thought it was 'Dutch Disease' (high dollar from energy sales from western canada) to blame. Guess that now dollar is only 70 cents american they have no one to blame except themselves. Need to get competiveness up if you want to sell globally.
I'm actually OK with significant increases in minimum wage - phased in over the appropriate amount of time - and that's speaking as an employer. But there's a bit of a misrepresentation of the employer here.
Increased regulation is one of the things that actually drives INCREASES in temporary workers. It's not so much a desire to not pay benefits, or to keep wages low. It's the need to flex a workforce up and down that drives it.
If i've got a manufacturing plant running 1 shift, and i want to flex up to 2 shifts for a busy season, what would you like me to do? If i try to do it all witho...See More 
· I see no reason to boost the benefits of casual workers to the detriment of the economy and its competitiveness. I do feel something more has to be done to protect workers from unfair labour practises. Enforcement is evident but past a citation little appears to be successful regarding collections and court action. Regarding the worker for those who treat these sector jobs as additional income, assistance to support school needs, and general life experiences like keeping busy little more is required but if the government thinks by enhancing their regulations to create permanent jobs of poorly educated, sketchy workers at best this is not the answer. I would not as a restaurant owner take these new regulations in stride and certainly would consider closing my business.
· Wayne Watson: you would see the benefits of this, yet another destructive policy of the liberals, if you were a politician like them: net benefit, votes, consequence for them, more years on the take, consequence for Canadians, more economic misery. There may be a positive consequence for us, the people, it may motivate us to leave, we can do without high taxes and 6-month winters.
· increasing the minimum wage?, and we always get screaming protests from the likes of the Ontario Chamber of Commerce, and they speak for business, not the student working part time, not the retired or semi retired second income to the family trying to help out, and what companies have the highest percentage of minimum wage workers, foreign owned companies like Mcdonalds and Tim Hortins and yes Tim Hortins is foreign owned, companies with year after year record profits that leave the country, raise the minimum wage and these companies will not, will never cut into thier profits but raise thier prices, and from the lineups i see at these places, they could double thier prices and people will still line up for thier garbage product, its time people that are run off thier feet to serve thier foreign masters get more than 11 dollars an hour
Ever hear of a union taking a pay cut when the company loses money? Management do.
"As we look internationally, it’s clear that jurisdictions that seek to grow their economy through increased regulation are left with lower labour market participation and higher unemployment, especially among young people."
Like most of Northern Europe?
· Actually Northern Europe has been moving to deregulate and free up their marketplace. Countires like Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands and Great Britain have over the last 2 decades seen conservative minded governments lead them to market based prosperity. Its MOSTLY southern Europe where statist policies have lead to economic collapse like Greece and Portugal!
· Patrick McMurphy: Scandinavian countries are advanced and cultured countries, Canada is not. This is a major difference, as in advanced and cultured countries, the class struggle still pervasive in Canada, no longer exists. In civilized and cultured countries everyone participates and contributes to the wellbeing of society, they do not need policy regulations forcing them to participate: they are civilized and cultured, they know that rights come with obligations, once again, these are advanced countries. It is not the case of Canada. Uppsala in Sweden, and Copenhagen in Denmark, have univers...See More Bogdan Teofilovici The Scandinavian countries have much higher taxes then we do in Canada, and they do have strict labour laws, as their policies are mainly socialist. The population does not mind paying more taxes because they appreciate all the services and social programs, etc., they receive. The main problem with our economy and labour market is free trade. Free trade has eroded our manufacturing sector, depressed wages, created more unemployment and is strangling our economy, because multi-national corporations can basically dictate to our government and threaten to move to other jurisdictions if they don't get their way
· how about for once increase disability payments for the handicap , walked my office the odsp other day i was the only white lots of blacks n muslims , ,,i, no raises to mention of in 4 yrs but hey wynn gave free prescription for kids under 25 we all know mostly immigrants have lots of kids again the liberals pandering the immigrants don't ask yourselves why there is more n more divide with regular Canadians, its only gonna get worse i was 55 yrs old when i got my first govt cheque after working 45 yrs, raised my 2 kids on my own no help from no one never ever got baby bonus
· I GET $750,00 PER MONTH COMPARED disability T O THE DOGS WHOSE NEVER CONTRIBUTED A NICKEL
· I'm sure Wynne and her cronies have already been informed of the impact these retrograde proposals will have on an already beleaguered Ontario economy. They just don't care. It's all about bamboozling Ontario voters long enough to get re-elected.
· Oh well. Another "chicken little" article. The world is collapsing and Canada is being sucked into a financial black hole where everyone will end up fighting over scraps by the local KFC dumpster. Boo-hoo, boo-hoo.
I know what I wrote is extremely cynical, but after reading enough articles that claim everything from the coming of Christ is about to happen, to the Zombie Apocalypse, insofar as our economy is concerned, yes I am cynical.
I have yet to see the death of our economy due to the housing issue, I refuse to call it a "crisis" anymore as a crisis has to actually have something negati...See More · an election is coming and Libranos need to build up their dependent class to secure votes
minimum wage will see self-serve kiosks in fast food joints and other places that can accommodate them
red tape and regulations will strangle business
energy costs will see businesses flee rather than drown in debt and bankruptcy
taxation is draining the gains made and the govt cant be seen as the wrecker of prosperity so they have to socialize the losses and force business to make up the difference in their poor economic policies
this is legislation for snowflakes who wont make it in today's economy and probably wont make it in an economy that is stacked in their favour either
how soon till I get a shot a kicking this govt to the curb
E-DAY is in 384 days. The wicked, ol' witch will be DEAD.
· Peter King - T/Y Peter, I'm counting the days now and sharpening up my pitchfork and readying the torches
· Another sky is falling article. The last minimum wage increase the sky was falling then too, pretty much the same article from a few years ago. God forbid anyone be able to afford a home OR rent. With the median income being around $40 000 a year one person cannot even afford to rent a home. There take home after tax is about $600/week. A 1 bedroom basement apartment going to $1000 + utilities a month people cannot afford to live on their own. You cant get a job without a college or university degree now so add another $200-$500 a month into a student loan for 10 years. So tell me again how $15/h is a bad thing. Thats only about $30 000 a year. Which is just above the threshold for being low income! Give me a break people.
The money has to come from somewhere.....!
· curbing immigrations will go a very long way to solving most of the ills you mention high rents is caused by supply, demand home prices the same, now we need to spend billions on infrastructure to compensate for the new populations growth, but hey most cant even get a family dr .wait times mri 6 months etc , but lets bring in more, buses are full
· We can all be sure of one thing. If we don't soon rid ourselves of this disgusting all controlling corrupt inept Liberal regime, there will be no need for any "labour workforce" legislation because there will be very little active workforce. Guess we had all better move to Thunder Bay, Hamilton or Lindsay and get a "gauranteed income".
· * Trying to block or reject Workplace laws that have not been updated in nealry 20 years, is similar to asking the workers of Ontario to continue to face draconian measures that enforce workplace productivity (Such measures include 3 sick days- more part time work- more contract work- less union negotiating rights etc), not even in China is there such abborish practices that actualy are the caue of economic decline, attempting to blame workers for Busniess faults is not going to find solutions to grow an economy, the solutions are to find the right employees that don't require laws that foece them to be productive. Most employers only provide 3 sick days if your earning middleclass wages, and 7 days if your making $10.hour which is poverty itself.
· The haphazard references to unsourced stats does not give me any confidence in the article. But clearly the government should have a proper economic analysis of the impact of changes before proceeding. Given the looming election, it seems unlikely, but also unforgivable if the suggestion made that is not being done is true.
· The leftist government should have considered these impacts allowing our housing market to sky rocket up while they pocketed fortunes themselves. Now, the cost of living is so high Wynne must consider legislated payroll / benefits changes. Socialism/Communism does not work. It would appear the government has decided to simply print money with unrestricted Bank of Canada transfers to support their whims. We are having a "Going Out Of Business Sale" in Ontario now. A massive economic correction is coming when foreign money dries up.
· Ontario has some of the lowest standards in terms of protection of employees. Try complaining about a Health and Safety issues your employer doesn't want to address and see how fast you end up on the unemployment line. Ditto for getting a full time job or even an entry level position for so many young people with technical oriented diplomas. Anything would be an improvement right now!
Go to hell, Krooked Kathy. You are slowly destroying this prov with your vote-buying to low-info libtard voters. You are dead-meat in 384 days.
· the only ones voting for the useless , liberals are gays, LGBT , transgender, pothead immigrants, hence the low IQ LIBERALS
· Classic marxist move....give more & take more too right..??...for all these initiatives need to be FUNDED.
What I have not seen in many a year, is actual Government policy designed to make things easier for Business to do what they do best. Regulations simply strangle our economy regardess of where they come from: Federal, Provincial or Municipal.
Far too many public sevants creating BS Laws, Regs and Bylaws with far too few taxpayers supporting them.
We will in fact end up just like Greece.
· Ontario voters clearly want a socialist economy. Anyone who buys into this rubbish is buying into exactly that, socialism!
Government in my opinion needs to shrink their involvement in business.
· We just need really small government. Large enough to look after critical infrastructure and public safety but nothing more.
Governments need to shrink. Period.
I own a business, my salary costs are fixed as my customers will not pay more. A standard shift is my self and 2 employees. All this wil do is make me have to run a shift with one less person. So I get stuck firing one of my staff and that sucks.
That is what this idiot and her pandering to self interest groups will do
More taxes and red tape won’t solve their spending addictions…
Poor old Ontariowe. What will butthead Wynne do when youth unemployment reaches 25%? Enact another law to force comanies to hire them?
She'll do what she's been doing up till now: give them gov't jobs doing little or nothing at Sunshine List wages, with the bill to be paid by your descendants. But Lieberal votes assured.
· Listen carefully and you will hear another economy gasping its' last breath.
· Politicians. How do they get away with stealing from small business owners like this! Every time I hear an employment promise from the NDP and NDP-lite all I see is thousands going from my pocket into someone else's for no reason whatsoever. They're buying employee votes with MY money. And it is not like small business owners are rich - many don't bring home as much as a public service worker, and we do not get any paid vacation, no pension, STAT days cost me $4k each out of pocket (they added another one not long ago). The NDP and Greens here in BC want to our medical premiums onto the payroll expenses too, which will murder me with perhaps $10k out of my take home pay per year, not to mention how much higher my income taxes will be to subsidize ten dollar day care for said public service workers! arghhh (I employ ten people, lowest paid at $25/hr btw)
welcome to Canada. Socialism is a disease.
· Raise the wages so Wynne can collect more in income taxes enabling her to make it rain money on the big fat car makers!
· wow... "a minimum number of sick days" geez... how could business possibly survive??? no wonder peopel are worried.
Does that apply to the business owner also? Who pays?
· John Edward Who do you think? the consumer, just as the consumer pays for the business owner's other expenses like power, and decent water that isn't from the ditch. If the business owner can't handle basics like providing toilets and sick days, they either need to rethink their biz, or get out of it altogether and let someone smater them handle the costs. That is teh nature of competition.
Finbarr Wilson
Perhaps you are not following the business news in the U.S. because if you were
you might be frightened. Google shopping centre closures and anchor store
closures. Canada is always a generation behind business developments in
the U.S.
And do not think the revenue losses in the retail sector are balanced by
e commerce sales. The metrics do not indicate that is happening....See More "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
People having more money to spend is good for an economy.
True. So the Lieberals have really hurt the economy by taking away more and more money from people through all their increased and new taxes, directing much of it to people outside the province and country. Gee, you finally came up with a mildly intelligent comment.
· Patrick McMurphy: Unfortunately, there will be less well-paying jobs resulting in less people with more money. You cannot grow the economy, which ultimately will result in better salaries, benefits and pensions, by mandating higher pay when the economic conditions do not allow it. Politically mandated higher minimum salary will not create work and improve the economy. An improved economy creates work and higher pay. In all honestly, and without any cynicism, I am surprised that you cannot understand such a simple proposition.
· Right. But companies that don't make profit from their investments move or close. Where do the people get 'more money' when companies adjust their model to react to the higher costs (ie layoffs, closures, increased sales prices, etc.)?
Patrick McMurphy, your statement assumes that the other variables remain unchanged.
Only the neolibewral shilling FP would demonize worker's rights as they interfere with corporate profits.
I didn't expect a corporate mouthpiece to support fair work conditions for average people.
· long lost ideology of starting at the bottom making crappy wage and working hard to advance and get paid more.
Liberal/Socialist government always treat jobs as social engineering functions.
Ontario’s new workplace laws will be ‘profoundly negative’ for an economy already lacking competitiveness
http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/ontarios-new-workplace-laws-will-be-profoundly-negative-for-an-economy-already-lacking-competitiveness
Government cannot legislate prosperity. As we look internationally, it’s clear that jurisdictions that seek to grow their economy through increased regulation are left with lower labour market participation and higher unemployment, especially among young people.
The task of creating a more dynamic workforce, where employees are treated fairly and economic growth can prosper, must be approached not on the basis of ideology and politics, but driven by evidence-based policy.
These workplace reforms will tip our economic balance in a profoundly negative way
Over the last two years, the Ontario government has pursued the Changing Workplaces Review, a once-in-a-generation assessment of the Employment Standards Act and the Labour Relations Act. The outcome of this review will change the relationship between every employee and employer in Ontario.
According to media reports this weekend, the Ontario government is considering measures that will risk many unintended consequences while passing new costs on to consumers. This week, we were told that the provincial cabinet will consider several options including a minimum number of sick days, increasing annual paid vacation and boosting the minimum wage to $15 an hour.
In a letter sent to Premier Kathleen Wynne on behalf of Ontario’s employer community, the Ontario Chamber of Commerce objected in the strongest terms to many of the reforms that are potentially being considered. Taken as a whole, these reforms will tip our economic balance in a profoundly negative way. The changes would further restrict the flexibility of part-time and contract employees, diminish transparency and informed employee choice in the union certification process, and institute “paperwork provision” that will add new layers of red tape to the existing regulatory framework. It is important to remember that good jobs are the direct result of a strong and growing economy.
These conversations are timely. We are told that the government is responding to a “general anxiety” that exists among many in today’s workforce around the quality of work. The response from government is to ask more of employers. We are concerned that this approach is being done without truly appreciating the implications of such decisions.
In this two-year review, no attempt has been made to truly quantify or research the economic impact of many of these policy options. But business can’t afford this approach.
Our ask to the premier has been clear: Spend the coming months appropriately subjecting the proposed reforms in the final report of the Changing Workplaces Review to an economic impact analysis. This analysis should have clear acceptability thresholds, and the reforms implemented should be limited to those that pass such thresholds or are being implemented with a commensurate economic offset measure. We support reform where and when it is needed, but caution against change for change’s sake.
As we engage with the issues of non-standard work and a changing workplace, we must also be honest about the scale of the problem. Part-time jobs now account for a lower percentage of all jobs than they did a generation ago — 18.8 per cent in 2015 versus 19.5 per cent in 1992. The average hourly wage in Ontario has risen by 33.6 per cent, while the median wage is up 29.2 per cent. Of all jobs created since the recession in Ontario, 98 per cent have been full-time and 78 per cent are in above-average-wage industries.
Clearly Ontario’s private sector is doing our part to create good, high-quality jobs. We’re doing that despite the many challenges that exist — including a 69-per-cent increase in the cost of producing a unit of output (versus 28 per cent in the United States).
Simply put, it’s getting more expensive to operate a business in Ontario, and businesses that operate here risk growing less competitive.
For all the conversation around fairness, we cannot simplify this discussion into a political argument that pits employee versus employer. Ontario’s businesses want to create well-paid and rewarding jobs and careers. But to get there, business needs government to help and not hinder our ability to grow the economy.
Karl Baldauf is the Ontario Chamber of Commerce’s vice president of policy and government relations.
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It's unfortunate that such moves are targeted to sound good to the voter coming into an election year; voters that don't understand the economy and implications on business. Political demagoguery results in a lot of people voting against their own interests without even knowing it.
· Jonathan, in the U.S. they have a term for this called the "low information voter syndrome". The problem with the political system is people are so guilable to believe anything that comes out of a politicians mouth at election time. Combine this with the "my parents always voted for XYZ party so I'm voting the same" and you have a receipe for disaster. Our system is poor as well as elected politicians cannot be held accountable for their actions or lack thereof, but only at election time long after the damage has been done. We need a better system.
· I will give this proposal of Wynnes one positive point... which is hard for me to swallow because I hate her and our inflated government so much lately.
Companies over the past 5-10 years have been chopping more and more full time positions and replacing them with part-time, contract or even casual contracts. Those are not situations where people can make a decent standard of living long-term with. Imposing minimum benefits to those non-fulltime positions will encourage business to post REAL jobs and not the disposable tickets they've made people into.
The banking center a family member worked for saw a 60% cut in staff, replaced with a lower job level, lower paid, no benefits group.... with technically MORE people so they could keep them away from full-time hours. Its a disgusting practice when those types of moves are unnecessary.
Other than the example above, I think the Liberals are out of their minds to think they can or should try to control the economy in such a way.
· Jonathan Pysanczyn: You identified and expressed correctly our situation in Ontario and Canada "Political demagoguery results in a lot of people voting against their own interests without even knowing it".
· I have a different take on this. The (left) government desires to grow the size of government (to insure re-election propects). These actions on the part of the Wynne government will reduce employment levels thereby creating a pool of permanently unemployed workers dependent on government social supports (guaranteed minimum income program). When you have more people on some form of government assistance, the argument being government needs to grow to take care of people on social assistance. Eventually everyone comes under (massive) state control.
· agreed. The size of the public payroll in Ontario contnues to grow. Not good.
Harvey: Exactly! Essentially the Ontario government is working towards creating an entire class of dependents that rely entirely on the state for their existence. They're doing to Ontarians what the federal government did to our natives in the 1800's. Roll forward a few generations and we'll have huge swaths of Ontario that look pretty much like what Attiwatiskap looks like today.
· Harvey....Well put, and proven so many times across the world and throughout history
It is ironic that those who do not participate in the private sector thnk they know the enhancements required for business. The reality of running a business is that personnel is often the most expensive component and any new over the top regulations put the most vulnerable worker at risk. Automation is spurred on by these initatives and the least educated worker suffers the most.
· Automation yes, and outsourcing to lower-cost locations. Bye-bye jobs.
...and bankruptcies for smaller family run businesses that don't have teh capital to automate or opportunity to move.
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· There is a radical--but emerging--solution to the massive government intrusion into business management...the "employee-less" company. But it requires a complete re-design of operations.
With the dramatic enhancements to communication, 3-D manufacturing, shipping and training, it is now much easier to DESIGN a company with few--if any--"employees". Employee-less companies are operating now. I own one. No payroll, no income tax remittances, no government...and much higher "wages". It's now fun to go to work--again!
We were the same. First as a sole proprietorship doing contract work, and then incorporated but working for the company for free, then paying ourselves dividends. Outside help hired on an invoiced basis as needed. Enormous amount of government-created paperwork eliminated.
Some one has to intervene on behalf of workers. There are to many employers out there that would like a return to Victorian Labour Laws or even earlier. As long as they are being fed the hell with every one else!
If people don't have jobs and make decent salaries, they don't have any money to buy all the available goods and services and the economy will eventually come to a screeching halt. As well, the government will not be able to collect enough taxes to pay for all government services that we all rely on, such as health care, education, policing, infrastructure, etc.
· Basically, the changes being considered mean longer waits at Macdonalds, convience stores and restaurants with some closing up. It also means any small parts and electronics assembly jobs will leave. Plus all home services we basically become owner operated with rates skyrocketing.
Most manufacturing and high end service won't be affected directly, but it will move a lot of people onto the street making more crime, poverty and panhandling.
But delusional progressive still hold to that fallacy of communism that the rich got there through cheating and the worker will not cheat and work hard no matter what they are paid.
Places like McDonald's, Panera, etc. are already coping by installing kiosks and providing apps for ordering, killing jobs usually filled by teens making some pocket money. Applebee's in the US has a tabletop unit that allows you to enter orders and pay without the need of a server. And so on. Make the humans more expensive and employers will switch to a less expensive alternative. What else would a reasonable, thinking person expect? And who loses? The people at the bottom.
· This sort of proposed regulation that's to be of great benifit to the workforce of Ontario , is what it seams just another Liberal lie to get you thinking that Queen Kathleen and her merry band of theives are caring and compassionate, all the wile adding to the destruction of the economy, so that you will do again what happened in the last election. Vote for a lying corrupt Liberal party all the while believing that they have your best interests at heart. Please remember that this Liberal party under 2 premieres have destroyed the economy over 15 years in power, with the resulting loss of more...See More · They want to destroy Canada to force us into a communist U.N dictatorship. Ever heard of Soros?
The slow destruction by socialistic policies of the Ontario economy continues. Those self serve restaurant kiosks you encounter in some locations will replace workers and other automation will be spurred to further eliminate humans.
Wynne is destructive, but then she leads an activist SJW government where ideology trumps everything. and the long term implications are indeeed negative. The Wynne government has outdone the former Rae socialists and beat them at their own game.
· Well written article that clarifies points for Employers suffering Angst and not being able to focus on why. Employee citizens have been conditioned to believe that only Politicians and Government can solve their problems. At some point, maybe we will wake up and recognize that it was the politicians who created the problems, not the employers.
· im shocked, absolutely shocked!!! you mean to tell me that a liberal policy is going to actually cause more damage than good. the hel! you say!!! they have always had the best interests of the rubes, err.....citizens of ontario at heart
· It's fantastic to get advice from a Liberal Government that does not have enough brains to run an ice-cold lemonade in the desert. The only thing that Wynne does well is spend other people's money. The less Liberal Government the better. Wynne should stop reaching into the taxpayer's pocket and resign now for the good of Ontario.
The incompetent and corrupt Socialist-Liberals in Greecetario are hell-bent on destroying that once great Province. Like all Socialists, they want a Government employee class (politicians and sunshine list) and a peasant class from which they steal more and more money via fees and taxes to pay for their Liberal and sunshine list extravagant lifestyles. All you have to do is look at Cuba or Venezuela to find out what eventually happens, and it is happening very quickly to the average Ontario citizen. Shame on the lying Fiberals and those who vote for them
Hey Thought it was 'Dutch Disease' (high dollar from energy sales from western canada) to blame. Guess that now dollar is only 70 cents american they have no one to blame except themselves. Need to get competiveness up if you want to sell globally.
· how about for once increase disability payments for the handicap , walked my office the other day i was the only white lots of blacks n muslims , ,,i, no raises to mention of in 4 yrs but hey wynn gave free prescription for kids under 25 we all know mostly immigrants have lots of kids again the liberals pandering the immigrants don't ask yourselves why there is more n more divide with regular Canadians, its only gonna get worse i was 55 yrs old when i got my first govt cheque after working 45 yrs, raised my 2 kids on my own no help from no one never ever got baby bonus
· I GET $750,00 PER MONTH COMPARED T O THE DOGS WHOSE NEVER CONTRIBUTED A NICKEL
I'm actually OK with significant increases in minimum wage - phased in over the appropriate amount of time - and that's speaking as an employer. But there's a bit of a misrepresentation of the employer here.
Increased regulation is one of the things that actually drives INCREASES in temporary workers. It's not so much a desire to not pay benefits, or to keep wages low. It's the need to flex a workforce up and down that drives it.
If i've got a manufacturing plant running 1 shift, and i want to flex up to 2 shifts for a busy season, what would you like me to do? If i try to do it all witho...See More · I see no reason to boost the benefits of casual workers to the detriment of the economy and its competitiveness. I do feel something more has to be done to protect workers from unfair labour practises. Enforcement is evident but past a citation little appears to be successful regarding collections and court action. Regarding the worker for those who treat these sector jobs as additional income, assistance to support school needs, and general life experiences like keeping busy little more is required but if the government thinks by enhancing their regulations to create permanent jobs of poorly educated, sketchy workers at best this is not the answer. I would not as a restaurant owner take these new regulations in stride and certainly would consider closing my business.
· Wayne Watson: you would see the benefits of this, yet another destructive policy of the liberals, if you were a politician like them: net benefit, votes, consequence for them, more years on the take, consequence for Canadians, more economic misery. There may be a positive consequence for us, the people, it may motivate us to leave, we can do without high taxes and 6-month winters.
· increasing the minimum wage?, and we always get screaming protests from the likes of the Ontario Chamber of Commerce, and they speak for business, not the student working part time, not the retired or semi retired second income to the family trying to help out, and what companies have the highest percentage of minimum wage workers, foreign owned companies like Mcdonalds and Tim Hortins and yes Tim Hortins is foreign owned, companies with year after year record profits that leave the country, raise the minimum wage and these companies will not, will never cut into thier profits but raise thier prices, and from the lineups i see at these places, they could double thier prices and people will still line up for thier garbage product, its time people that are run off thier feet to serve thier foreign masters get more than 11 dollars an hour
Ever hear of a union taking a pay cut when the company loses money? Management do.
· Oh well. Another "chicken little" article. The world is collapsing and Canada is being sucked into a financial black hole where everyone will end up fighting over scraps by the local KFC dumpster. Boo-hoo, boo-hoo.
I know what I wrote is extremely cynical, but after reading enough articles that claim everything from the coming of Christ is about to happen, to the Zombie Apocalypse, insofar as our economy is concerned, yes I am cynical.
I have yet to see the death of our economy due to the housing issue, I refuse to call it a "crisis" anymore as a crisis has to actually have something negati...See More "As we look internationally, it’s clear that jurisdictions that seek to grow their economy through increased regulation are left with lower labour market participation and higher unemployment, especially among young people."
Like most of Northern Europe?
· Actually Northern Europe has been moving to deregulate and free up their marketplace. Countires like Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands and Great Britain have over the last 2 decades seen conservative minded governments lead them to market based prosperity. Its MOSTLY southern Europe where statist policies have lead to economic collapse like Greece and Portugal!
· Patrick McMurphy: Scandinavian countries are advanced and cultured countries, Canada is not. This is a major difference, as in advanced and cultured countries, the class struggle still pervasive in Canada, no longer exists. In civilized and cultured countries everyone participates and contributes to the wellbeing of society, they do not need policy regulations forcing them to participate: they are civilized and cultured, they know that rights come with obligations, once again, these are advanced countries. It is not the case of Canada. Uppsala in Sweden, and Copenhagen in Denmark, have univers...See More Bogdan Teofilovici The Scandinavian countries have much higher taxes then we do in Canada, and they do have strict labour laws, as their policies are mainly socialist. The population does not mind paying more taxes because they appreciate all the services and social programs, etc., they receive. The main problem with our economy and labour market is free trade. Free trade has eroded our manufacturing sector, depressed wages, created more unemployment and is strangling our economy, because multi-national corporations can basically dictate to our government and threaten to move to other jurisdictions if they don't get their way
· an election is coming and Libranos need to build up their dependent class to secure votes
minimum wage will see self-serve kiosks in fast food joints and other places that can accommodate them
red tape and regulations will strangle business
energy costs will see businesses flee rather than drown in debt and bankruptcy
taxation is draining the gains made and the govt cant be seen as the wrecker of prosperity so they have to socialize the losses and force business to make up the difference in their poor economic policies
this is legislation for snowflakes who wont make it in today's economy and probably wont make it in an economy that is stacked in their favour either
how soon till I get a shot a kicking this govt to the curb
E-DAY is in 384 days. The wicked, ol' witch will be DEAD.
· Peter King - T/Y Peter, I'm counting the days now and sharpening up my pitchfork and readying the torches
· I'm sure Wynne and her cronies have already been informed of the impact these retrograde proposals will have on an already beleaguered Ontario economy. They just don't care. It's all about bamboozling Ontario voters long enough to get re-elected.
· Another sky is falling article. The last minimum wage increase the sky was falling then too, pretty much the same article from a few years ago. God forbid anyone be able to afford a home OR rent. With the median income being around $40 000 a year one person cannot even afford to rent a home. There take home after tax is about $600/week. A 1 bedroom basement apartment going to $1000 + utilities a month people cannot afford to live on their own. You cant get a job without a college or university degree now so add another $200-$500 a month into a student loan for 10 years. So tell me again how $15/h is a bad thing. Thats only about $30 000 a year. Which is just above the threshold for being low income! Give me a break people.
The money has to come from somewhere.....!
· * Trying to block or reject Workplace laws that have not been updated in nealry 20 years, is similar to asking the workers of Ontario to continue to face draconian measures that enforce workplace productivity (Such measures include 3 sick days- more part time work- more contract work- less union negotiating rights etc), not even in China is there such abborish practices that actualy are the caue of economic decline, attempting to blame workers for Busniess faults is not going to find solutions to grow an economy, the solutions are to find the right employees that don't require laws that foece them to be productive. Most employers only provide 3 sick days if your earning middleclass wages, and 7 days if your making $10.hour which is poverty itself.
· The leftist government should have considered these impacts allowing our housing market to sky rocket up while they pocketed fortunes themselves. Now, the cost of living is so high Wynne must consider legislated payroll / benefits changes. Socialism/Communism does not work. It would appear the government has decided to simply print money with unrestricted Bank of Canada transfers to support their whims. We are having a "Going Out Of Business Sale" in Ontario now. A massive economic correction is coming when foreign money dries up.
· Ontario has some of the lowest standards in terms of protection of employees. Try complaining about a Health and Safety issues your employer doesn't want to address and see how fast you end up on the unemployment line. Ditto for getting a full time job or even an entry level position for so many young people with technical oriented diplomas. Anything would be an improvement right now!
· Classic marxist move....give more & take more too right..??...for all these initiatives need to be FUNDED.
What I have not seen in many a year, is actual Government policy designed to make things easier for Business to do what they do best. Regulations simply strangle our economy regardess of where they come from: Federal, Provincial or Municipal.
Far too many public sevants creating BS Laws, Regs and Bylaws with far too few taxpayers supporting them.
We will in fact end up just like Greece.
Go to hell, Krooked Kathy. You are slowly destroying this prov with your vote-buying to low-info libtard voters. You are dead-meat in 384 days.
· Ontario voters clearly want a socialist economy. Anyone who buys into this rubbish is buying into exactly that, socialism!
Government in my opinion needs to shrink their involvement in business.
· We just need really small government. Large enough to look after critical infrastructure and public safety but nothing more.
Governments need to shrink. Period.
I own a business, my salary costs are fixed as my customers will not pay more. A standard shift is my self and 2 employees. All this wil do is make me have to run a shift with one less person. So I get stuck firing one of my staff and that sucks.
That is what this idiot and her pandering to self interest groups will do
More taxes and red tape won’t solve their spending addictions…
Poor old Ontariowe. What will butthead Wynne do when youth unemployment reaches 25%? Enact another law to force comanies to hire them?
She'll do what she's been doing up till now: give them gov't jobs doing little or nothing at Sunshine List wages, with the bill to be paid by your descendants. But Lieberal votes assured.
· Listen carefully and you will hear another economy gasping its' last breath.
· Politicians. How do they get away with stealing from small business owners like this! Every time I hear an employment promise from the NDP and NDP-lite all I see is thousands going from my pocket into someone else's for no reason whatsoever. They're buying employee votes with MY money. And it is not like small business owners are rich - many don't bring home as much as a public service worker, and we do not get any paid vacation, no pension, STAT days cost me $4k each out of pocket (they added another one not long ago). The NDP and Greens here in BC want to our medical premiums onto the payroll expenses too, which will murder me with perhaps $10k out of my take home pay per year, not to mention how much higher my income taxes will be to subsidize ten dollar day care for said public service workers! arghhh (I employ ten people, lowest paid at $25/hr btw)
welcome to Canada. Socialism is a disease.
· Raise the wages so Wynne can collect more in income taxes enabling her to make it rain money on the big fat car makers!
· wow... "a minimum number of sick days" geez... how could business possibly survive??? no wonder peopel are worried.
Does that apply to the business owner also? Who pays?
· John Edward Who do you think? the consumer, just as the consumer pays for the business owner's other expenses like power, and decent water that isn't from the ditch. If the business owner can't handle basics like providing toilets and sick days, they either need to rethink their biz, or get out of it altogether and let someone smater them handle the costs. That is teh nature of competition.
Finbarr Wilson
Perhaps you are not following the business news in the U.S. because if you were
you might be frightened. Google shopping centre closures and anchor store
closures. Canada is always a generation behind business developments in
the U.S.
And do not think the revenue losses in the retail sector are balanced by
e commerce sales. The metrics do not indicate that is happening....See More "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
People having more money to spend is good for an economy.
True. So the Lieberals have really hurt the economy by taking away more and more money from people through all their increased and new taxes, directing much of it to people outside the province and country. Gee, you finally came up with a mildly intelligent comment.
· Patrick McMurphy: Unfortunately, there will be less well-paying jobs resulting in less people with more money. You cannot grow the economy, which ultimately will result in better salaries, benefits and pensions, by mandating higher pay when the economic conditions do not allow it. Politically mandated higher minimum salary will not create work and improve the economy. An improved economy creates work and higher pay. In all honestly, and without any cynicism, I am surprised that you cannot understand such a simple proposition.
· Right. But companies that don't make profit from their investments move or close. Where do the people get 'more money' when companies adjust their model to react to the higher costs (ie layoffs, closures, increased sales prices, etc.)?
Patrick McMurphy, your statement assumes that the other variables remain unchanged.
Only the neolibewral shilling FP would demonize worker's rights as they interfere with corporate profits.
I didn't expect a corporate mouthpiece to support fair work conditions for average people.
· long lost ideology of starting at the bottom making crappy wage and working hard to advance and get paid more.
Liberal/Socialist government always treat jobs as social engineering functions.
