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Tristin Hopper 加拿大的衰落、Carney 的崛起与未来的希望
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Tristin Hopper：加拿大的衰落、Carney 的崛起与未来的希望
《The Really Big Show》节目 2026年3月18日
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apZwAqSrDew
在《The Really Big Show》的这期独家访谈中，主持人 Jim Csek 和 Iain Burns 采访了《国家邮报》（National Post）专栏作家、同时也是《别学加拿大：一个国家如何同时把所有事都做错》（*Don't Be Canada: How One Country Did Everything Wrong All at Once*）一书的作者 Tristan Hopper。Tristan 详细阐述了加拿大自2015年左右以来在几乎所有主要指标上的急剧下滑，包括人均GDP、发电量、生产力、住房负担能力、公共安全等。他认为，与其他西方国家相比，加拿大接受错误理念的程度更深、速度更快。我们全盘接纳了包括极端情况下的协助自杀、学校里的性别意识形态、毒品“安全供应”政策、房地产泡沫以及未能有效融合的移民政策——而且这一切都没有经过实质性的制度性防御或质疑。
Tristan 解释了为什么不列颠哥伦比亚省（BC省）的情况显得尤为极端，且比多伦多等地更早达到临界点。他指出，一些终身持进步派立场的人士（如戴围巾的祖母、大麻爱好者、颈部有纹身的异见人士）在亲身经历暴力犯罪、医疗系统崩溃或因性别意识形态而失去家庭成员后，正悄然背离主流叙事。他将独立媒体（如本节目）的兴起归功于加拿大人寻求替代方案的愿望，因为传统的偏颇媒体已无法反映真实的日常生活。
对话内容涵盖了媒体偏见、政府资助顺从立场的媒体、《在线新闻法案》（Online News Act）的破坏性影响，以及为什么连进步派人士现在也看到了经济的满目疮痍——尽管他们往往将其解读为“人权”问题，却忽略了根本原因。Tristan 保持着谨慎乐观的态度：加拿大可能正进入“反思期”，被迫着手解决那些长期被忽视的问题。
欢迎来到《The Really Big Show》。感谢您来参加我们的节目。谢谢。
加拿大真衰落，不仅仅是……大家都看过那些图表。 社交媒体上有位比我聪明的人——不是我——画了一张像蜡笔画一样的图表，涵盖了各种关于加拿大的数据，显示直到2014、2015年，情况都还处于“良好”区间，而现在则滑落到了“糟糕”区间。我是说，无论是人均GDP还是发电量——嗯，就是那些你在《经济学人》杂志（或类似机构）工作时用来衡量一个国家健康状况的关键指标——所有这些数据都很糟糕。而且，真的很难找到什么例外情况。我经常试着思考，现在到底有什么比十年前更好。
嗯，我想到的只有：我们的手机稍微便宜了一些；游乐场变得更有趣了——呃，这其实跟政府没什么关系。虽说大多数游乐场确实是政府建的，但游乐场设施技术的进步，其原因通常与政府无关。还有，我觉得购物中心的环境好多了；因为我们的公共空间变得越来越危险，甚至出现了持刀伤人事件，所以购物中心在某种程度上填补了这一空白。
总之，我能想到的就这三点。如果大家还有什么别的例子，请发邮件告诉我，帮我补充一下。不过话说回来……
我们刚才谈论这些的时候，我想起伊恩（Ian）前阵子写过一篇头条文章，说大概在2015年，一颗彗星肯定撞击了加拿大——因为加拿大在2015年左右走上了一条与世界其他地区（抱歉，我是指美国和欧洲）截然不同的道路。
看来加拿大很可能和它们遭到了同一颗彗星的撞击。
也就是说，西方世界的许多地方都受到了同样糟糕观念的影响。不过，我的核心观点——我也为此专门写过一本书——是我当时并不完全明白这一切为何发生，只知道它正在发生。我注意到……作为《国家邮报》（National Post）的一名记者，我经常浏览关于加拿大的国际新闻标题。我发现这本书的构思源于这样一个事实：其他国家看到了加拿大的失败案例，并从中吸取了教训。其中一个例子恰好就发生在今天。这是一个典型的案例。苏格兰最终没有推进“协助自杀”法案的立法；如果没有加拿大的前车之鉴，他们很可能会这么做。在苏格兰举行相关听证会时，他们所处的境况与加拿大在实施协助自杀政策前非常相似：每个人身边都有亲人——比如叔伯、父亲或母亲——走到了生命的尽头，却依靠医疗手段维持着生命。人们目睹了长年累月的痛苦：亲人处于痴呆症晚期，忍受着病痛，却被机器强行维持着生命。除非有着非常坚定的宗教信仰，否则大家都会想：“为什么不能结束这一切呢？为什么非要拖这么久？”我认为，正因如此，绝大多数加拿大人才接受了“协助自杀”这一理念。苏格兰当时也面临着同样的心理处境。然而，与2015年时的我们不同，苏格兰掌握了关于加拿大案例的信息，看到了取消这些限制措施后所带来的意想不到的后果。早在2015年，这些警示就已经存在了，但我们当时选择了无视。我们当时只是说：“好吧，我们听说了比利时和荷兰出现的那些极端案例，也听说了系统内可能出现的滥用情况——比如护士或医生可能会把事情做得过火——而且这很难防范……”
尤其是考虑到加拿大当时正在考虑的那些监管措施。但回看当时的舆论，简直令人震惊：
从最高法院法官到国会议员，所有人都不愿相信会出什么岔子，只是说：“这是加拿大，我们
知道自己在做什么。”我们是好人，我们能处理好这件事，绝不会迅速演变成那种……
劝说退伍老兵自杀，或者对仅仅患有精神疾病的人实施安乐死的局面。
我的意思是，虽然我不会说这已成常态，但确实发生过好几次这样的事：家人与那位处境艰难的成员失去了联系——
就是那个有心理健康问题、总是让人担心的家人。这种情况已经发生过好几次了，就在几个月前还发生过一次。
家人失去了那位成员的音讯，不知道他去了哪里；而接到的下一个电话，却是来自实施安乐死的医院，告知他们……
人已经去世了。或者还有更可怕的情况：告诉他们死期已定，于是他们拼命挣扎试图推翻这一决定，结果却失败了，最终在医院里被处死。不过，这些暂且不谈。你问为什么加拿大变成了今天这个样子。我认为……
西方世界正受到许多糟糕观念的冲击——从性别意识形态到协助自杀，再到房地产泡沫，无所不包。
如果你观察世界各地的发达国家，尤其是英语系发达国家，你会发现这种现象几乎随处可见，但加拿大受到的冲击比其他任何地方都严重。我认为这是因为我们对这些观念毫无防备。
加拿大一直是个非常宜居的地方。人们通常会理所当然地认为, 这里的一切最终都会好起来。有些在其他国家发生的事情，在加拿大却从未发生过。过去50年里，加拿大确实没有发生过任何严重的灾难。
现在有一整代七十多岁的人，他们度过了一生，却从未真正经历过任何重大的国家级灾难。因此，我们成了世界上最安于现状、缺乏危机感的国家。所以，当各种糟糕的观念——比如反种族主义运动以及其他各种时髦思潮——袭来时……
加拿大受到的冲击比任何国家都大，并且真正将这些观念植入了我们的社会体制中，却没有任何制衡或质疑的声音。这些……抱歉，你继续说。你认为其中有多少是归因于媒体因素的？毕竟自由派往往将自己与特定媒体之外的媒体隔离开来在CBC、CTV和Global这些媒体身上，他们把这些媒体既当作盾牌又当作长矛，从而避免被问及尖锐的问题。那些获得采访权的媒体并不会对他们进行严格的问责——
——虽然我们也是获得认证的新闻机构，但很难从自由党那里得到任何回应；他们把自己封闭起来……
——就在最近——我相信你熟悉Blacklocks和Holly Doan的情况——有两个政府部门（移民部和全球事务部）声称，他们不会回应任何未获政府认证的媒体。其实政府根本就……
——……没资格去认证新闻机构。但你认为，自由党之所以能保住权力，在多大程度上归功于他们面前的那面“盾牌”和那支“长矛”？
——我认为这是一个因素。我的意思是，如果你和任何一个普通加拿大人被困在电梯里，只要你提起……
——……那种普遍的经历。如果对方不到50岁，你问问他们是否有超过65岁的亲戚……
——……你会有一种类似电影《人体入侵者》（Invasion of the Body Snatchers）般的诡异感觉，因为你意识到他们完全不知道……
——……外面发生了什么。他们真的以为现在还是1998年，对各种社会衰退现象——比如犯罪率上升——一无所知。有些公园……
——……我小时候曾在那里玩耍，现在却变成了帐篷城。因此，任何60岁以下的人都目睹了生活质量的明显下降——不仅仅是在经济层面，还包括公共安全、公开吸毒现象、公共服务交付等各个方面。然而，确实有一部分人无法接受这一现实。
我认为主流媒体在其中起了一定作用。不过，如果我们要谈论为什么尽管加拿大出现了种种衰退——我可以花上几个小时细数加拿大的种种弊病——我却依然对它抱有希望的话……
原因之一在于，人们正逐渐远离那些主流媒体渠道。因为这些媒体播出的内容往往无法反映人们的真实生活体验，所以大家干脆不再收看了。
所以我认为你是对的。没错，当你观看CTV或尤其是CBC的节目时，你会发现……
它们根本无法准确反映加拿大当前的真实状况。而且我们往往忽视了成千上万（甚至可能是数十万）不再收看主流媒体、转而寻求像你这样的独立媒体的人群。
回想十年前，许多独立媒体机构根本就不存在；加拿大当时也没有那么多独立或非主流的组织。随着局势恶化，随着我们的体制、传统媒体等变得日益激进，并极力维护那日益衰落的现状，有些人意识到了问题所在，正悄然转向其他信息渠道。
因此，人们很容易忽略这一点，误以为所有人都是被洗脑的蠢货——就像“温水煮青蛙”里的那只青蛙一样——但实际上，社会上确实出现了一种意识到事态有变的动向。
我本来准备了一份详细的介绍稿，抱歉刚才没按计划来。你是土生土长的维多利亚人，而且现在也住在维多利亚，对吧？
是的，我现在就在维多利亚。
既然写了，那我就把它读出来吧。你在《国家邮报》（National Post）开设了“First Reading”专栏。
非常受欢迎，经常在推特上被转发和讨论。
去年你还出版了一本书，书名叫《别学加拿大：一个国家如何把所有事都搞砸了》（Don't Be Canada: How One Country Did Everything Wrong All at Once）。
出版商对你的描述很有意思：你曾在公共交通工具上吸入过别人吸食快克可卡因（crack）产生的二手烟，还亲眼目睹过安乐死的过程。
这听起来相当惊悚，不是吗？没几个人有过这种经历。而且，你已经数不清自己去过多少个配备免费卫生棉发放机的男厕所了。 11:38 另外，还得说说我在卑诗省（BC）的经历。
11:41 我现在会把它们拿走，带回去给妻子。所以，这算是免费的。
11:45 好的。没错，这很聪明，是个很好的做法。嗯……对了，我之前本来应该先提这一点的，但我还没说。我想问问……
11:54 ……你觉得为什么偏偏是卑诗省——我甚至敢说，放眼全球，
12:02 卑诗省的情况可能是最极端的——毕竟这本书里也大量提到了卑诗省……
12:09 所以，经常有人来问我：“你怎么能住在那儿呢？”
既然你针对这些议题撰文，可以说你代表了一种“反觉醒”（anti-woke）的声音，那么……
住在维多利亚（Victoria）难道不会让你抓狂吗？长期以来，维多利亚大概是加拿大最“进步”的城市。它无疑是……
最世俗化（不怎么信教）的城市，也是长期以来新民主党（NDP）票仓最稳固的城市，也就是加拿大社会民主主义色彩最浓厚的城市。
话虽如此，我了解的情况是这样的……我多少能理解西海岸的心态。所以……
本质上，那些“进步派”的做法对我来说并没那么可怕——我是说，近年来……
安大略省（Ontario）出现的某些更为激进的“进步派”政策——我亲眼见过——在我看来……
比我在不列颠哥伦比亚省（BC省）看到的还要极端。没错，BC省在宏观层面上也会做些非常愚蠢的事。但我依然……
相信，当你看到像奥克维尔（Oakville）那位装扮成拥有巨大胸部（大到妨碍工作）的工科老师时——我们至今……
还不清楚那个人的具体动机，不知道这是否是一场恶作剧玩过了头，还是别的什么情况……
但我依然认为，大多伦多地区（GTA）出现的那些极端政策……
其程度已经超出了BC省人所能容忍的底线。
所以，尽管我们的那些“嬉皮士”可能会很疯狂，但我认为他们还是有底线的。嗯，这比……你知道的，比住在多伦多“海滩区”（Beaches）的普通人要快得多。
我的意思是，他们与现实隔绝了五代人的距离；而我们这边，可能只隔了一两代。
这是一个非常有趣的观点。我很高兴你能这么说，因为通常人们的反应只是：“是啊，BC省（不列颠哥伦比亚省）简直疯了。”
所以我……其实……作为我自己，这种感觉挺奇妙的，因为我现在算是有一定知名度了。所以，
学校系统里的人会来找我，持异见的人也会来找我——尽管他们看起来并不像异见人士。你知道，你
可能会以为来找我的只是一群穿着格子衬衫、名叫“迈克”的超重中年大叔，说着“我们要跟体制对着干”之类的话。呃，并不是。来找我的还有，你知道，那些
戴着头巾的老年妇女，浑身大麻味的人，脖子上有纹身的人，诸如此类。所有那些你
会认为属于“极左”阵营的人。我最近吸引的群体，主要包括那些
我认为……终身信奉进步主义的人，或者是那些原本觉得自己不太关心政治的人，但后来
发生了一些事情，让他们开始密切关注这些议题，并意识到出了问题。
这背后有几个原因。比如，你自己或你的家人曾是暴力犯罪的受害者。 15:06 当时你会想：“噢，好吧，我们去走法律程序吧。”你以为他们会受到惩罚，毕竟这是司法系统。
15:11 但随后，他们目睹的一切让他们感到震惊。基本上，这个系统的运作方式扭曲地偏向于维护……
15:18 ……加害者的权利，而直接牺牲了受害者的利益。或者……
15:25 ……他们有个脆弱的孩子，深受某种性别意识形态的影响——在学校体系内，孩子被告知：
15:33 “噢，你对自己身体的感觉不舒服？我们会无视导致这种感觉的所有根本性病理因素，直接告诉你……”
15:41 “……只有以女孩的身份生活，你才能过得舒心；如果你的父母不支持这一点，他们就是你的敌人。”所以，有些人实际上因此失去了家庭……
15:50 ……成员；或者——这是我遇到的最常见的情况——
15:58 ……有人患有严重的疾病，却发现医疗系统根本无法提供所需的救治。
16:06 就在过去这一年里，我遇到了好几个人，他们失去了至亲……
16:14 ……而这种失去本是可以避免的：比如扫描检查被延误，病人在等待名单上离世，或者因为医疗系统不堪重负而导致误诊。嗯，是啊，尽管不列颠哥伦比亚省（BC省）在推行那些所谓的“觉醒”（woke）政策方面算是先行者，也是动作最快的，
但如今情况变了：那些大半辈子都习惯性地自视为进步派、富有同情心和共情能力的人——正是出于这些特质才支持了那些政策——
现在也开始意识到自己曾经支持的许多做法所带来的错误和意想不到的后果了。
也许是因为他们走得更远、经历更多，所以积累了某种“免疫力”。没错，你们正处于风口浪尖。
你知道，我们正在亲历历史。嗯，就在不久前，加拿大……
无论是什么“觉醒”思潮——虽然当时还没人用“觉醒”这个词15年前，无论我们当时在做什么，通常总有某个欧洲的“嬉皮士”风格国家——或者美国国内的某个地区——已经先行一步尝试过了。所以我们可以观察他们的做法，然后……怎么说呢，算是比较保守地在这里实施同样的政策。
但最近——书里也提到了这一点——我们开始做一些别人从未尝试过的事情；而且在目睹了加拿大的这些经历后，其他国家肯定更不会效仿了。
最明显的例子就是不列颠哥伦比亚省（BC省）进行的“更安全毒品供应”（safer supply）实验。当时的想法是：我们要让人们戒掉……
让他们停止注射芬太尼——只要我们每天提供源源不断的免费阿片类药物，让他们……
转而使用这些药物就行了。结果呢？他们拿到阿片类药物后，转手就在黑市上卖掉，用赚来的钱去买更多的芬太尼。
现在黑市上充斥着海量的——甚至按字面意思说就是成吨的——阿片类药物。虽然BC省后来叫停了这项政策，
但当初他们推行这项政策时，明眼人都能看出它注定会酿成大祸；尽管有无数人提出过警告，他们还是执意推行了下去。
是的。既然你提到了性别意识形态，那我就问个相关的问题，然后我就……不再占用你的时间了，把你交回给……
吉姆（Jim）。不过，这涉及巴里·纽费尔德（Barry Newfeld）的案子……是的。谈谈加拿大……
在国际上的声誉，以及BC省在加拿大国内的形象吧。这确实是一个相当轰动的新闻。这位校董被不列颠哥伦比亚省（BC省）人权法庭处以75万加元的罚款，起因似乎是他——我想你也看过相关文件——在Facebook上发布的六条帖子。
是的。关于纽费尔德（Newfeld）这个人，他只是奇利瓦克（Chilliwack）的一位资深校董，据称他住在拖车公园里。所以，这真是一项极其严厉的惩罚性裁决。
说到这本书，每当我谈论它时，人们总会说：“我知道问题出在哪儿，是贾斯廷·特鲁多（Justin Trudeau）把一切都搞砸了。”
但这本书揭示的一个令人惊讶的事实是，所有这些问题——那些糟糕的理念——早在特鲁多2015年当选之前就已经存在了，而你刚才提到的那个案例就是其中之一。
这就是加拿大特有的制度——人权法庭体系。我们大概是在20世纪80年代建立这一体系的——具体年份我记不太清了——但这种制度在其他任何国家都不存在。
澳大利亚也有类似的机制，但那里的裁决不具备法律约束力。
所以，这是加拿大体系独有的特色。这也是乔丹·彼得森（Jordan Peterson）成为国际知名人物的原因——他在2012年站出来反对这些……当时他正开始崭露头角，成为一位大名人。总之，人权法庭（Human Rights Tribunal）体系的运作理念是设立准司法机构来执行人权法规。它们独立于普通法院系统，
但拥有诸如处以罚款之类的惩罚性民事权力。而且，它们往往会对人权法规进行非常宽泛的解读。追溯到20世纪90年代，
这些法庭就曾做出过一些极其荒谬的裁决。比如十年前发生的一件事：一位喜剧演员因其表演中的某段内容而被罚款，
起因是有观众表示自己受到了冒犯。
他被处以了数额不菲（五位数）的罚款。所以，关于纽费尔德（Neufeld）案的这项裁决，
其实与人权法庭几十年来一贯的做法并没有太大的出入。
但这确实表明，它们现在的行事变得更加肆无忌惮了。你会发现，在我不列颠哥伦比亚省（BC省）人权法庭（BC Human Rights Tribunal）运作的这大半辈子——甚至可以说是整个成年生活中——他们做出了许多愚蠢的决定。毕竟，当你设立这样一个准司法机构，让它有权自行定义何为“人权”、何为“非人权”，并惩罚那些被认定“侵犯”了这些权利的人时，
这里自然就成了左翼活动人士趋之若鹜的阵地。所以，如果说纽费尔德（Newfeld）案的裁决有什么特别引人注目的地方，那就是它有多么荒谬离谱，以及它与任何法律原则的解读是多么的背道而驰。
读过那份裁决书的人都会觉得，这简直就是一场针对纽费尔德的“袋鼠法庭”式作秀审判。里面的一些措辞，本质上是在说：你的罪过
就是不相信性别意识形态。我是说，如果你去比较一下——虽然我现在手头没有确切的引文——但其中有一个大家都很关注的要点，那就是关于接受性别意识形态的问题：
你必须相信“男性可以变成女性”这一观念；或者说，为了不侵犯人权，你必须认同他们的本体论和形而上学观点。是的，这就是那种……而且
这类事件越来越多了，几乎每天都有发生。普通人——哪怕是进步派人士，甚至是
一辈子都投新民主党（NDP）票的人——读到这些内容时，也会想：“这到底是怎么回事？这……”
“这种极端程度是我没想到的。”所以，我想还是有人会读到不列颠哥伦比亚省（BC省）教师联合会——也就是推动此事的机构——以及BC省人权委员会发布的新闻稿，并说：“这对学校系统内的跨性别者权利和平等来说，真是美好的一天。”
“像Barry Newfeld这样散布仇恨的人，终于受到了应有的惩处。”但是，如果你仔细阅读裁决的细节，以及各方如何庆祝这一结果——
尤其是刚才提到的那两个机构（教师联合会和人权委员会），它们积极地表示——
“这太棒了，因为这会抑制人们对学校性别政策的批评。”也就是说，Newfeld受到了惩罚，如果你不想落得
像Newfeld那样的下场，那就闭嘴吧。嗯，是这样……不过我要指出一点——因为我一直在关注事态发展——我建议大家也要留意那些“未被言明”的内容。BC省人权委员会（BC Human Rights Commission）和BC省教师联合会（BC Teachers Federation）都是极度激进的组织。只要浏览一下它们的新闻动态，就会发现它们几乎每天都在发表一些极其荒谬的言论。但看看BC省的现状：我们有一位新民主党（NDP）籍的省长，而（在反对这一决定的阵营中）基本上没有省议员（MLA）的身影。省长本人当然也没有支持这一决定。所以我认为，即便是一些“惯常支持者”——也就是那些在四五年前可能会赞同此类决定的人——现在也意识到事情做得太过火了，并对此做出了反应。当你看到那些曾批评此举的省议员以及纽费尔德（Newfeld）的支持者站出来发声时，会发现这些反应的基调也发生了变化。我在加拿大注意到一个现象：那种模棱两可、含糊其辞的态度消失了。如果是在五年前写信支持纽费尔德并谴责这一决定，人们可能会说：“哦，我是跨性别群体的盟友，我支持跨性别者的权利，我相信所有人都应该享有安全。”诸如此类的套话通常是必不可少的，但现在这些话不见了。所以，如今当人们公开反对这一决定时——比如我能想到几位BC省的重要省议员站出来支持纽费尔德——那种（必须先表态支持跨性别权益的）套路已经不存在了。他们只是在说这不对劲。事态已经发展得太过火了，必须叫停。嗯，所以我……我不想
说这是事态发展的顶峰。不过，从长远来看——当然，也要对巴里·纽菲尔德（Barry Newfield）表示同情，因为这显然给他带来了巨大的压力——
但从长远来看，这很可能被视为许多
普通民众开始意识到究竟发生了什么事情的转折点。
我想把话题转回经济方面。你在16号于《国家邮报》（National Post）上发表了一篇文章，谈到了就业流失和生产率停滞的问题。墨西哥现在
取代加拿大，成为了美国最大的贸易伙伴。这基本上也是我们今天节目的核心议题：加拿大正处于“滞胀”的门槛上——我们简直是在猛烈敲击这扇大门，
眼看就要把门撞开了。而且，你当时提到卡尼（Carney）曾被寄予厚望去挽救经济，
但情况却每况愈下，几乎没什么实质性进展。持这种观点的不仅仅是你，我们也深表赞同，许多人都有同感。然而，他的支持率似乎
却在不断攀升，越来越高。还有最后一点，我想补充说明一下：加拿大坐拥巨大的资源财富，但这些财富似乎被白白浪费了。比如，波兰大使甚至会嘲笑加拿大——我们把液化天然气（LNG）卖给美国，美国转手赚取差价，再卖给波兰。嗯……卡尼（Carney）究竟是怎么把这事儿搞成这样的？
我不确定……不知道是不是加拿大选民特别迟钝、状况外。嗯……
也许我们一直以来都这么迟钝，这么容易被那种穿着西装、说话像……
像央行行长那样的人所蒙蔽。嗯……但后果却是现在的程度更高了，因为无能的状况已经变得非常严重。嗯，所以……
我认为，关于贾斯廷·特鲁多（Justin Trudeau），有一点值得诟病的是——即便是在此之前的自由党政府或保守党政府时期，
他们都认为自己必须维持一定水平的执政能力，否则就会受到选民的惩罚。嗯，他们可能会有腐败行为，
也可能会有两面派作风，但至少在治理国家方面，
必须保持一个基本的运作水准。嗯，我认为特鲁多探索的一个方面，就是把“无所作为”推向了极致——
即一个人能做的、能完成的事情少到了什么程度；以及“宣布某事”与“完全不去做那件事”之间存在着巨大的反差。
面对一个问题时，选择那个成效最小、却听起来好像在做点什么的方案——
这正是特鲁多执政最后几年非常显著的特征。所以，我认为……卡尼（Carney）的内阁
本质上和特鲁多的内阁是一样的。嗯，自从2019年特鲁多的自由党政府
真正遭遇重创以来，
他们似乎形成了一种认知：噢，其实我们根本不需要做什么。嗯，我的意思是，
现实终究会找上门来。我不确定触发这一点的会是什么。嗯，通常……那个最终会让加拿大人转而反对现任政府的“导火索”……是因为他们以为政府在做的事情，实际上显然并没有在做，而且
状况正在恶化。我建议大家做一件事：找一位朋友，
比如在建筑业有专长的朋友——去和做建筑工人的朋友聊聊，或者和在石油行业、当警察或
当律师的朋友聊聊；
然后问问他们，在各自的领域里，需要做些什么来降低犯罪率、
解决住房负担能力问题，或者真正提高石油产量等等。
在几乎所有情况下，这些业内人士都会说：“其实只要采取这三个简单的措施，就能解决这些问题。”而且他们绝不会提到
现任政府实际上正在做的任何事情。所以，我认为最终……现实会胜出。
人们会意识到，他的言论与现实并不相符。我不确定究竟什么时刻会成为让人们认清这一点的“导火索”——
可能是“基斯马”（Kisma）的彻底崩溃，也可能是另一场主权债务危机。
谁知道呢？……很难预测——尤其是现在——加拿大人忍耐的临界点究竟在哪里。
在我看来，这归根结底还是因为他的支持者基本盘主要是“婴儿潮一代”——那些比以往任何时候都更关注时事的老年人。这是……这是我见过的最疯狂的事情：民调显示，所有60岁以下的人都会投票支持保守党组建多数政府——当然，也许最近情况有些变化，但这种情况持续了漫长的数月之久。
没有任何国家经历过这种情况。也许南美政治史上曾有过某种怪异时期，但“平均而言，80岁老人比19岁年轻人更倾向于投票给自由党，而19岁年轻人比80岁老人更倾向于投票给保守党”——我认为这在我们国家的历史上从未发生过。
嗯，所以……
这让我想到那些仍在收看CBC（加拿大广播公司）的人群——这部分受众的人数一直在不断减少。看CBC的人越来越少，
但那部分仍在收看的群体，似乎并不了解现实情况究竟如何。
我想问题就在这里，对吧？是的。
没错。他们与现实是隔绝的。如果你的房贷已经还清，
领着随通胀调整的养老金，不用搭乘公共交通，也不用为找工作发愁，
甚至自2003年去看芭蕾舞演出之后，就再也没去过市中心……嗯，我觉得加拿大——相比几乎所有其他西方国家——有着一个特别庞大的群体，他们无需直面现实，因此很容易……
……无法理解许多问题的严峻现实。
是的。我和 Sam Coope 大约在一年前创办了这个节目，它如今已大获成功，因为我认为人们正在寻找独立媒体。他们开始转向独立媒体，以寻求更多答案。比如 Holly Don 和 Black Locks，所有这些（受到的审查或限制）都在大幅增加。让我们担心的是，尤其是像 Mark Miller 这样的人站出来说我们需要社会凝聚力，
我们需要向 CBC 投入更多资金，而且他们甚至开始阻止 Holly Don 和 Black Locks 获取信息公开（FOI）请求中的资料。我认为这令人担忧，
因为加拿大人会觉得他们真的想控制媒体。他们也多次针对 X（原推特）发表言论——我相信你也能在 X 上获取大量信息，
就像大多数加拿大人一样，很多国际新闻都是通过 X 发布的。毕竟，像卡玛拉·哈里斯（Kamala Harris）这样的人，甚至会选择先在 X 上宣布承认败选。
大多数新闻都是先在 X 上爆出的，然而，加拿大政府似乎也想控制 X 上的信息。
关于他们已经采取的行动——虽然相关政策尚未完全落地实施，但《在线流媒体法案》（Online Streaming Act）……
……你们可能在节目中讨论过这个问题，这是上一届议会时期的事，而现在它已成为法律。该法案赋予了 CRTC（加拿大广播电视及通讯委员会）……
……特殊权力，基本上可以强制规定这些流媒体平台必须包含最低限度的加拿大本土内容。如果他们真的行使《在线流媒体法案》（Online Streaming Act）赋予的全部权力，CRTC（加拿大广播电视及通讯委员会）可能会要求 Netflix、YouTube 等所有在线流媒体平台修改算法，否则就无法在加拿大开展业务。这让人联想到之前导致 Facebook 无法分享新闻的那项类似法案——虽然立法内容不同，但性质相似。总之，他们确实有能力改变加拿大人使用互联网的方式。
我和 Ian 针对《在线新闻法案》（Online News Act）所做的报道，恐怕比大多数媒体机构加起来还要多；我们在这方面投入了大量精力。这让我想起罗纳德·里根（Ronald Reagan）那句名言：“我们是政府派来的，是来帮忙的。”这项法案本意是帮助独立媒体，结果却适得其反。自法案实施以来，已有近百家媒体倒闭，这对我们来说也是沉重的打击——流量和收入都减半了。我曾在《The National》节目中接受采访，当时很多媒体都反映流量流失了一半；相比之下，那些由政府资助的媒体却安然无恙，因为它们有政府的大笔资金支持，所以受到的影响不大。但作为独立媒体，你必须靠自己去赚钱，必须付出努力去争取生存，对吧？好的，
非常感谢您抽出时间。不过，您还有什么想补充的吗？
哦，想说的有很多。但我这儿还有一长串问题呢。
不知道您是否还有充裕的时间。
嗯，我确实该回去做我的本职工作了。不过，大概还能再聊几分钟。
我想问个问题，这也是吉姆（Jim）和我讨论过的。
我看到埃隆·马斯克（Elon Musk）转发了您的推文。是的。
那种感觉是怎样的？被埃隆转发后会发生什么？他好像有两亿多粉丝吧？我就是好奇那种体验。您的粉丝量和关注度是不是
一下子爆发式增长了？
确实有一点。嗯，其实 X（原推特）上有个变现功能，但我当时忘了勾选那个选项——就是“如果我的推文爆火，请给我打钱”的那个选项。
所以，本来应该有一大笔钱——就像一翻斗车那么多——送过来的。嗯，你知道的，就是那种“推特币”之类的钱。我不知道这和
如果我勾选了那个选项本该收到的钱有什么区别。
不过也没关系。嗯，我相信以后还会想到别的事，但在……我也不清楚。这让手机上的一连串数字上涨了。呃，这当然没能让我对……对我的配偶更有吸引力；我的孩子们也没有因此更尊重我的意见。不过，我想播放量达到了9000万次。哇，就我做过的所有事情而言，从触达的受众规模来看，这显然是排在第一位的——毕竟那是相当庞大的人群……不过，这终究只是转瞬即逝的关注。这也反映了加拿大媒体某种奇怪的现状：你看，CBC（加拿大广播公司）正变得越来越激进，他们竟然在播放这个这种关于加拿大生活的失实看法。但我不断看到
那些名不见经传的YouTube博主和播客主，往往能获得
比CBC在某个大城市的整个受众群还要高的
关注度和曝光量。
这很有趣——我们或许会感叹人们都被“洗脑”了，接到民调电话时
便不顾现实经济状况，依然声称要投票给自由党。
但我认为，这是我们历史上一个独特的时刻；
如果放眼长远，从50年后的视角回望，这可能会成为一个转折点——
加拿大终于着手解决那些长期困扰国家、却因过去形势大好而被搁置的问题，
当时人们只想维持现状，让一切照旧运行。
如今，许多事物已千疮百孔，我认为我们终于可以开始修复那些
早在20世纪70年代就已出现裂痕的问题了。
所以我……是的，我希望……你刚才提到了波兰。
你可能听人盛赞过波兰有多么出色：
他们没犯我们犯过的错，没有移民未能融入社会的问题，街头也没有毒品泛滥。
他们没有那种“十个城市”的问题。大家都搬去波兰吧。嗯，波兰之所以呈现出现在的样子，是因为三四十年前它的状况真的、真的很糟糕。他们对“社会凝聚力流失得有多快”、“繁荣消逝得有多快”以及“如果治理不当会失去什么”有着非常深刻的切身体会。
嗯，所以我乐观地认为，加拿大正处于截然不同的另一端。我们现在有一整代人……
……开始第一次思考：身为加拿大人意味着什么？拥有一个凝聚力强的社会意味着什么？
……真正去思考如何预防犯罪、如何让企业繁荣发展、如何为子孙后代保障未来。
我是在20世纪90年代长大的。那时我从未想过生活会发生剧变——到处都是钱，一切都很安全，
……一切都在向好发展。嗯，所以这段时期可以被视为我们的“反思岁月”。
评论区里大家都很喜欢你。评论区里充满了对你的喜爱。谢谢各位评论者。是的。
如果人们想买你的书……
是的。他们在哪里可以买到你的书？亚马逊，还是直接从出版商 Sutherland House Books 购买？
亚马逊上有售，而且还有有声书版本——是我亲自朗读的，我的声音很好听哦。
还有推特，你的推特账号是什么？我们也会把信息放在评论区，方便大家找到 Tristan——Tristan Hopper 名字里的 Tristan 是那种通常用于女孩的拼写方式（即包含字母“i”的版本）。
瞧瞧这个。我们展示了 Sutherland House 出版社的书，也放了链接，还有一张“沙漠之狐”（Desert Fox）的照片。
如果你查看文档顶部，就能看到那张照片。我也看了目录，其实目录本身就很有趣。
我本来没打算写一本搞笑的书。
大家都说：“噢，我又是笑又是哭的。”嗯，确实，我动笔时没想过要写一本幽默的书。我原以为那会是一本非常严肃、
庄重的非虚构类作品。另外，还有人建议你来节目当客座主持，和我们一起播报
新闻。那应该也会很有趣。
天哪。好吧，如果真那样，我会穿上西装，把扣子扣在
领带外面。很高兴你能来做客，而且很多人都很喜欢你，这太棒了。
太好了。我觉得……很多独立媒体都需要……我们努力推广各类人士，作为独立媒体，我认为这一点很重要。嗯，我认为……关键就在这里，因为我觉得2026年将是迎来重大突破的一年。我们在美国也能看到这种现象——比如独立媒体，你知道，许多独立记者正在做出非常出色的工作。
这种情况以前也发生过。我常以此为例：在媒体发展史上，曾有过一些时期，那些传统新闻机构变得过于腐败，与旧有的政党势力纠葛太深，导致公众不再信任它们。随后，媒体格局便出现了碎片化……
涌现出了大量的新兴力量。这在报业的发展历程中确实发生过。当时出现了数以百万计的报纸一下子涌现，然后慢慢整合，接着又变得腐败变质之类。这是一种周期性现象。所以，这种碎片化——现在到处都有数以亿计的媒体渠道——其实以前就发生过，而且坦白说，这种局面也是必然会发生的。
很高兴你能来做客，我们非常希望能再次邀请你，尤其是请你担任新闻评论嘉宾。我觉得那一定会很棒。
太好了，随时都可以。谢谢。
Tristin Hopper: Canada’s decline, Carney’s rise and hope for the future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apZwAqSrDew
2026年3月18日
In this exclusive interview on The Really Big Show, hosts Jim Csek and Iain Burns speak with Tristan Hopper, National Post columnist and author of Don't Be Canada: How One Country Did Everything Wrong All at Once. Tristan details Canada's steep decline across nearly every major metric since around 2015: per capita GDP, electricity generation, productivity, housing affordability, public safety, and more. He argues Canada has absorbed bad ideas harder and faster than almost any other Western nation. We've integrated assisted suicide expanded to extreme cases, gender ideology in schools, safer supply drug policies, real estate bubbles, and unintegrated migration. All without meaningful institutional defences or skepticism.
Tristan explains why BC in particular feels extreme yet has a breaking point sooner than places like Toronto. He notes lifelong progressives (scarf-wearing grandmothers, weed enthusiasts, neck-tattooed dissidents) are quietly turning away from mainstream narratives after personal encounters with violent crime, medical system failures, or family members lost to gender ideology. He credits the rise of independent media (like this show) as Canadians seek alternatives to biased legacy outlets that no longer reflect lived reality.
The conversation covers media bias, government funding of compliant outlets, the Online News Act's devastating impact, and why even progressive voices now see the economic wreckage—translating it into "human rights" language while missing the root causes. Tristan remains cautiously optimistic: Canada may be entering "introspection years," forced to repair long-ignored problems.
Can you hear us? Tristan, can you hear us? Certainly can. Hello. Hey, how you doing? Hello. And with the suits. Again with the suits.
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And with the suits every day with the suits. Sorry about that. We can cover it up.0:13
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No, that's fine. I should be wearing a suit as well.0:16
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There you go. Uh, welcome to the really big show. We appreciate you coming on with us. Thank you.0:24
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I'm let live right now. You're live right now.0:26
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Live right now. We're absolutely live right now. You have 500.0:29
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Oh, okay. Good morning. Thanks for having me.0:31
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537 people staring at you right now. And well, good thing I didn't say what I really think. All right. Good.0:37
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That's okay. This this show is unap unapologetic. So, you can say whatever you want. All right.0:42
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You you go for it. I'll let Ian lead because uh he's the one that booked you on here.0:48
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Yeah. Unapologetic and very messy this show. So, bear with us, please.0:53
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Okay. Right. But um yeah, and my my first question is just about what I what I take to be your sort of your main1:00
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topic, your primary topic in your work, which is Canada's decline? I just want to I mean I already know the answer to1:08
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this, but is Canada in decline? And if so, why? And how can it be reversed?1:15
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Uh yes, it is. Um I mean, not just from uh I mean, we've all seen the charts. Uh there there was someone who was not me,1:23
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someone smarter than me on social media did this like crayon drawing and it's like every Canadian chart and it just shows like you know it was in the good1:31
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area right up until 2014 2015 and now it's in the bad area. I mean that's everything that's per capita GDP that's1:39
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electricity generation. Um so all of the main sort of things that you look at if you work at the economist or whatever to1:47
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look at the health of a country all of those are bad. Um, and it's really hard to find an exception. Often I try and think what actually is better now than1:56
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it was 10 years ago. Um, and I've arrived at uh our cell phones are slightly cheaper.2:05
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Playgrounds are more fun. Uh, that's nothing to do with the government. Well, it's, you know, most of them are are built by the government, but playground technology has taken off for reasons2:14
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generally unrelated to government. Uh, and malls are are much nicer, I think, because our our public spaces have gotten so much more dangerous and stabby, uh, malls have sort of stepped2:23
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up and and filled that. So, that's the only three I can think of. If anybody has any others, please email it to me um to to help with those. But anyway, um2:32
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the only we were just talking about all that when I think Ian did the headline a while back that a comet must have hit just Canada around 2015 because Canada2:41
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went in a different direction around 2015 um than you know much of the rest of the world I'm sorry the United States2:48
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Europe and and uh Canada likely hit with the same comment.2:51
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So a lot of the West was hit with the the same bad ideas. Uh but my my thesis and I wrote a whole book about this uh2:59
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called don't be Canada and I didn't really have an idea of why it was happening. I just knew that it was happening. There was a number of um I started noticing just there was a3:08
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reporter at the national post. I often scan international headlines about Canada and I started to notice the conception for the book came from the3:15
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fact that um other countries were seeing Canadian failures and taking lessons from them. One of them actually just happened today. Uh this is a classic3:23
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example. Um, Scotland did not pursue an assisted uh suicide bill. Um, and they3:30
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probably would have if it hadn't been for the Canadian example. So, as they were doing hearings about this, Scotland Woods in a very similar situation to3:38
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where Canada was before we embarked on assisted suicide, everybody had at least one uncle, you know, father, mother,3:46
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whatever, who had gotten to the end of their life, was being kept alive by medical interventions. And you just had that years and years and years of3:54
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someone's in the late stages of dementia and they're in pain and whatever and they're being kept alive by a machine and everybody you know unless you have4:02
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very strong religious convictions uh thought why can't we just end this? Why can't uh why does this this last? So I4:09
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think that's where Canadians almost universally signed on to the idea of assisted suicide being something uh that4:17
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was acceptable and and so I think Scotland was in the same boat. However, what the information they had that we didn't have in 2015 was looking at the4:26
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Canadian example of the unintended consequences of when you drop those barriers. And those warnings were there in 2015. Um but we ignored them. uh we4:35
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just said uh okay we've heard about your edge cases from Belgium we've heard about the Netherlands we've heard about you know the likelihood you will have4:43
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abuse within the system um you will have nurses and doctors who will push this too far um you it's it's hard to isolate4:51
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to especially with the checks that can Canada was considering but at the time if you look at the rhetoric around it it's it's almost shocking to see4:59
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everybody from Supreme Court justices to members of parliament just dismissing the idea that anything would go wrong, just saying, "Well, this is Canada. We5:08
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know what we're doing." Um, we we are we're good people and we can do this without getting into a situation very5:15
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quickly in which we're telling combat veterans to kill themselves. Uh, in which we're euthanizing people whose only underlying uh condition is mental5:24
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illness. I mean, it has now become I'm not going to say it's routine, but it's happened several times in which a family loses track of a troubled family member.5:32
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you know, the one family member who's got mental health issues you always have to worry about. This has now happened several times and just happened a couple5:39
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months ago. Family loses track of that family member. Where did they go? And the next call they get is the hospital that euthanized them, telling them that5:47
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they're dead. Uh or the even more horrifying scenario, um telling them that they have a schedule for death and then they scramble to try and get it5:55
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overturned and fail and they are killed in the hospital. So anyway, that's that's all aside. So you asked why Canada got this way. So I think we have6:03
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a lot of bad ideas hitting the west and so everything from gender ideology um to assisted suicide to real estate bubbles.6:14
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Um so you look the world's developed countries particularly the world's English-sp speakaking uh developed countries you'll see a little bit of6:22
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this almost everywhere but they hit Canada harder than anywhere else. Um I think because we just had no defenses6:30
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against them. Um Canada has been a very nice place to live. Uh it has generally been a rational conclusion to say um6:37
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that things will work out here. There are there are things that just don't happen in Canada uh that happen in other countries. Um we're going off 50 years6:46
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where really nothing serious uh seriously bad has happened to Canada.6:51
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You have a whole generation of people now in their 70s who have lived entire lives in which they've never really suffered some major national catastrophe7:00
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of any kind. Uh so we became the most complacent country on earth. Thus when bad idea season came around, oh you7:08
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here's anti-racism, here's all of these other things that are trendy. uh Canada took them harder than anybody else and7:16
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really injected them into our institutions and put no checks, no skepticism whatsoever in their way. How much has these Sorry, go on.7:24
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How much of that do you think is is owed to the media that the liberals kind of shield themselves off from media other than CBC, CTV, and Global and they use7:33
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them as kind of like a shield and a spear and then they don't ask hard questions. they're not held to account uh much by the media that gets access7:41
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cuz we're an accredited news organization but we have a tough time getting any response from the Liberal Party and um they they wall themselves7:50
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off and just recently uh I'm sure you're familiar with Blacklocks and Holly Don you know they've had two uh now departments immigration and global7:58
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affairs saying they won't respond to any media that is not accredited by the government and the government has no8:06
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business accrediting news organizations to begin with, but how much of that do you do you attribute to the liberals holding on to power with that shield and spear they have in front of them?8:16
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I think it's a factor. I mean, we all have uh if you're ever trapped in an elevator uh with just any random Canadian. Uh, you just bring up the now8:26
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universally of experience. You know, if this Canadian is under the age of 50, bring up have you met a a relative older8:32
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than 65 and you just had this invasion of the body snatchers type feeling as you realize they have absolutely no idea8:41
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what's going on. Uh, I mean, they they really do think it's 1998 and all of these social declines, you know, rise in crime. There are whole parks that I8:49
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could play in as a child are now just tent cities now. So anybody under the age of 60 has seen measurable decline in8:57
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quality of life not just economically uh just in in terms of public safety, visible drug use, um you know delivery9:05
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of services um everything but we do have a cohort of people who really are not able to accept that that has happened.9:12
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Uh so I I think um the mainstream media factors into that. However, um it's also we have uh probably one of9:20
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the most if if if we want to talk about why I still have hope in Canada despite all these declines and I can talk about what's wrong with Canada for hours. Um9:29
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why I have hope in Canada and I people are turning off those mainstream outlets. Um so they're they're turning on a program um that just doesn't have9:39
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any reflection um to their you know lived experience uh and they're simply not tuning in. So, uh, I think you're9:46
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right. Yes. Uh, you can watch a CTV or particularly a CBC broadcast, and it's9:53
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just not an accurate portrayal of the current state of Canada. And I think what we're not seeing is the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands10:01
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of people who are just not listening anymore and are seeking out independent media, such as yourself. Uh, so 10 years ago, um, a lot of independent media10:11
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outlets, uh, simply didn't exist. a lot of independent and heterodox organizations in Canada didn't exist.10:17
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So, as things get worse and as our institutions and legacy media and whatever get more radicalized and more10:25
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defensive of a declining status quo, um there are people who know something is wrong and they are turning to alternative sources very quietly. So, it10:33
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can be easy to miss that and think that everybody's just a brainwashed idiot. um you know, the boiling frog uh in the10:40
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pot, but um there there was certainly a social move to recognize that something's up.10:50
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And and I had a whole I I wrote out a whole script here to introduce you. So, I'm sorry I didn't I didn't do that, but you're born and raised in Victoria and you still are in Victoria.10:58
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Yeah, I'm in Victoria right now.11:01
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Right now. I'm gonna I'm just going to read this out then because I did write it. So, you do the first reading column in the National Post. Yes.11:07
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Very, very popular. Often um often retweeted and discussed on on Twitter.11:13
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And you also wrote a book last year or published a book last year called Don't Be Canada: How One Country Did Everything Wrong All at Once. And you're11:20
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described by a publisher, I like this, as you've inhaled secondhand crack on public transport. You've seen euthanasia11:27
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in person. That's quite um ghoulish, isn't it? I don't know many people who've experienced that. Um, and you've lost count of how many men's washrooms you visited with a free tampon machine.11:38
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Also, my experience uh in Victoria, I must say.11:41
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I take them now. Take them now and give them to the wife. So, that's free.11:45
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All right. Yeah, that's smart. Yeah, that's a good point. Um, yeah. So, I haven't said that, which I should have done at the beginning. Um I want to ask11:54
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you why is it BC in particular seems to be I would argue maybe of all places on12:02
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earth I would say BC might be the most extreme in BC does come up in the book uh a lot um12:09
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so so people often uh will approach me and say how can you live I mean you write against these topics you're sort of you know an anti-woke voice so how12:19
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are you not just driven nuts by living in Victoria and For a very long time, Victoria has probably been the most progressive. It's certainly the most12:25
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irreligious city and it's it's long been the most NDP voting city, so the most socially democratic uh city in Canada.12:34
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So, uh all that said, uh this is what I know. um I sort of understand uh the West Coast mindset. So it's uh you know12:43
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essentially it's not as scary to me as uh some of the progressive I mean of often recently in in recent years um the12:51
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bubble uh some of the more radical progressive policies in Ontario has actually I've seen it and it it seemed more12:59
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extreme to me than stuff I've seen in BC. So yes, BC will do really dumb things at a macro level. Uh but I still13:06
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believe uh when you see like an an Oakville shop teacher showing up with the you know giant breasts they're getting in the way and we still don't13:14
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know the motivation of that particular individual if this is a you know a hoax that went way too far whatever. Uh but uh I I still see the sort of pinpoints13:23
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of extreme policy that you can do in the GTA um I still think are beyond the pale of what a British Columbian would13:31
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tolerate. So, as as as crazy as our hippies can get, um I still think they have a breaking point. Uh that is sooner13:39
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than uh you know, your average person living in the beaches center of Toronto.13:45
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I mean, they are five generations away from reality. Uh and here we're like one or two.13:54
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That's a very interesting take. I'm uh I'm glad you've offered that because usually the answer is yeah, BC is crazy.14:00
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So, I'm I'm actually quite It's also It's weird being me because I'm uh semi-recognizable now. And so,14:09
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I'm approached by all of the people within the school system. I'm I'm approached by all the dissident and they look like they aren't. Uh, you know, you14:19
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you'd think I'm just approached by a bunch of overweight guys in plaid named Mike saying like, "Yeah, you know, sticking it to the system." Uh, no. I'm I'm approached by, you know, old old14:28
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women in scarves. people wreaking uh of weed, people with, you know, neck tattoos, whatever. All of the people you14:35
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would assume um are hard leftists. And uh so sort of the cohort I attract particularly lately is people I think14:44
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who have been lifelong progressives um or have considered themselves not particularly political and something14:51
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happened and they started to have started paying close attention to these issues and realized something was wrong.14:58
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And there's a few reasons for that. Um, you're a a you or yourself or a family member was a victim of violent crime.15:06
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So, you think, "Oh, okay. We'll we'll go to courts." You know, they're going to punish them. It's the justice system.15:11
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And then they're horrified by what they see. Um, basically a system perversely geared toward the rights of15:18
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of the offender at the direct expense um of their victim. um or um uh they had a15:25
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a vulnerable child who was really taken in uh by some aspect of gender ideology um you know within the school system was15:33
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told okay you feel uncomfortable in your body uh we're going to ignore all of the core morbidities of why that might be the case and just tell you you can only15:41
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live comfortably if you live as a girl if your parents don't sign up with that they're your enemies. So a few people who have had essentially lost family15:50
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members to that um um or um this is the most common one I encounter. Uh someone had a severe medical problem and15:58
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realized the medical system is just not there for them. Um so I've just in the last year I've met several people who have lost close family members16:06
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unnecessarily um because a a scan was delayed, they died on a waiting list, uh they got a wrong diagnosis because the system was16:14
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simply overwhelmed. Um so yeah, although BC um was sort of first and and fastest16:22
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with a lot of these woke policies, uh we're now at a point where uh people who have spent most of their lives reflexively and and would still consider16:31
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themselves progressives and and and compassionate and empathetic uh for all those reasons are are realizing the16:38
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mistakes and the unintended consequences of a lot of what they've supported.16:43
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So maybe they're further down the line so they've got the experience then they can they've built up an immunity. Oh yeah, you're at the sharp end here.16:49
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You know, we're at the uh we're we're experiencing uh history directly. Um it used to be Canada not too long ago16:56
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whatever you know woke thing and they didn't call it woke 10 or 15 years ago, but whatever we were doing usually some17:05
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hippie European country had done it first. Uh so or or some area of the United States. So we we we could watch what they were doing and then just sort17:14
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of, you know, conservatively implement that policy here, you know, in a sense.17:19
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Uh but lately, and this comes up in the book, there are things we're doing that nobody else is doing, and they're definitely not going to do it now after they've seen the Canadian experience.17:29
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The most obvious example being the BC experiment with safer supply. This was just the idea that well we'll get we'll get people off17:36
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they'll stop injecting fentanyl um if we can just give them bottomless daily uh you know buckets of of free opioids and17:44
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you take that instead and instead they just took the opioids flipped them onto the black market and then used the extra money to buy even more fentanyl and now17:53
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you've got tons and tons and tons perhaps literal tons uh of opioids in the black market. So BC has dialed that18:00
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back, but it was just embarking on a policy that was so obviously going to blow up in their face and there was any number of people to purs to tell them that and it was just pursued anyway.18:12
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Yeah. Well, you since you mentioned gender ideology, I'll ask you a question about that and then I'll um I'll stop monopolizing you and give you back to18:19
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Jim. But um that's a Barry Newfeld case which Yeah. Yeah, talk about um Canada's18:26
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reputation internationally, but even BC within Canada as well. I mean, this this is a real sort of uh explosive story. I18:33
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think this is uh the school trustee that has been fined $750,000 by the BC Human18:41
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Rights Tribunal for I think it's six I imagine you've read the document as well. I think it's six posts he made on on Facebook.18:49
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Yeah. I guess I guess the factor of this uh run-of-the-mill kind of I've heard Newfeld I mean he's just a longtime Chilowak school trustee. Uh I18:58
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mean reportedly he just lives in a trailer park. So this is just a an an extremely ownorous punitive decision.19:06
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And one thing uh with with this book it's it's um every time I give a talk about the books people say well I know what the problem is. Justin Trudeau19:14
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broke everything. Um, one surprise with the book is all of these issues. Uh, the bad ideas date back way before Justin19:23
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Trudeau's uh, election in 2015, and the one you just highlighted is is one of those. Uh, so this is another unique19:30
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Canadian program, the the human rights tribunal system. Uh, this is essentially I think we established them as early as19:37
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the 1980s. Um, I'm forgetting the exact dates here. U, but this is uh, a system that doesn't exist in any other country.19:44
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There's a version of it in Australia, but uh their decisions are non-binding.19:48
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So this is very unique to the Canadian system. And this is also why Jordan Peterson is this international phenomenon because he came out in 201219:58
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against these uh and that that was when he first started coming up as a major celebrity. Um but anyway, the human20:05
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rights tribunal system is the idea that you will have these quasi judicial bodies uh that will enforce human rights codes. So, they're separate from the20:13
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courts, but they have punitive civil powers like the the powers to levy fines. Um, and they will just sort of20:20
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have a very broad interpretation of a human rights code. And that's going back to the 1990s. We've had just these20:27
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insane decisions uh coming out of these tribunals. Um, this was one 10 years ago where um a comedian was fined for a20:36
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section of his act um one of the audience said was offended by this.20:40
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um he was levied a five figure fine uh or whatever. Um but um so this newfeld20:46
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decision um isn't tremendously out of step uh with what the Human Rights Tribunal has been doing for decades at20:54
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this point. Um but uh it just shows they're much more emboldened. So you can find dumb decisions um for most of my21:03
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adult life, if not all of my adult life, put out by the BC Human Rights Tribunal because, you know, turns out when you set up a quasi judicial body that can21:11
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just uh decide what is and what is not human rights and punish people for perceived violations of that, this is21:18
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just a magnet for leftist activists to get in. So, um, this this this if the Newfeld decision stands out, it's just21:26
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how egregious it was, how divorced this was, uh, from any attempt to be interpreting legal principles. Uh, I21:34
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mean, you read the text and it it's very much a kangaroo court show trial against Newfeld. Um, I mean, some of the lines in there essentially saying your crime21:43
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was to not believe in in gender ideology. I mean you you compare it I don't have the direct quote in front of me but there's this the section that21:51
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everybody sort of fixated on u was the idea that uh to accept gender ideology21:58
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you have to believe the idea that a that a man can become a woman u or to not violate22:04
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human rights you must believe in their ontology you must believe in their their metaphysics yeah so it's it's the kind of decision and22:13
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this there's an increasing number of these there's one almost every day in which a normal person can read it. Even a normal progressive person, even22:21
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someone who's voted NDP their entire life can read this and say, I what's what's even happening here? This uh I22:29
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this is a level of extremism I didn't think. So, I think there's still people who can read the BC Teachers Federation press release and they're the ones who22:37
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pursued this. The BC Human Rights Commission Commission press release and say, "Well, this is a great day for uh you know, trans rights and equity within the school system." Barry Newfeld, a man22:45
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spewing hate has been uh you know put in his place. Um but if you read the actual details of the decision and you read how it was celebrated22:53
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um the the two entities I mentioned uh the teacher federation and the human rights commission actively saying uh23:01
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this is great because this is going to chill criticism of our gender policy in schools. Uh so you know Newfeld has been punished and if you don't want to be23:09
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Newfeld shut up. Um, so yeah, one of those it's but but I will point out and23:16
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because I'm, you know, watching I would I would urge people to see what wasn't said. Um, so BC Human Rights Commission23:24
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and BC Teachers Federation are extremely radical bodies. You know, just just scroll through uh their news feed and23:32
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they say some insane things on an almost daily basis. But if you look at the areas of BC life, um we have an ADP premier. Um you basically had no MLAs.23:45
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You certainly didn't have the premier endorsing this decision. So I think even a lot of usual suspects who would have23:52
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been on board with this decision or a decision like this four or five years ago are realizing it's going too far and in the reaction to it. Um, so when you24:01
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see MLAs who were critical of it, supporters of Newfeld coming out, um, the car the camber of those reactions24:08
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have also changed. One thing I've started to notice in Canada is the equivocation is gone. Um, so if you had24:15
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written a letter in support of Newfeld and denouncing this decision maybe 5 years ago, you would have said, "Oh, I'm a trans ally. I I support trans rights.24:24
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Uh, you know, I believe that all people should be safe." And then, you know, there's nostrums that are usually expected. Those are lacking now. So, now24:32
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when people are speaking out against it, and I can think of a few BC MLAs, uh, major figures, um, coming out in support of Newfeld, uh, that's not there.24:42
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They're just saying this is wrong. This has gone too far. It needs to needs to stop. Um, so, uh, yeah, I I I don't want24:50
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to say it's the high water mark. Uh but I I I will say perhaps long term and obviously, you know, sorry to Barry24:59
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Newfield for all the stress this is obviously putting on him. Um but long term, yeah, potentially this will be seen as the point where I think a lot of25:08
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normal people started to realize what was going on.25:13
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I'm going to switch you back to the economy. Uh you put out a piece on the national post on the 16th there. Lost jobs, stagnated productivity. Mexico now25:20
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claims title as largest US trading partner. That's basically our headline of this show today is, you know, Canada banging on the door of stagflation and we're literally banging on the door.25:29
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We're about to kick the door down and um yet and and part of your thing was like Carney elected to save the economy. It's25:37
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only gotten worse. Not much done and you're not the only voice out there and we echo that. A whole bunch of people say that. yet his popularity seems to25:45
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keep rising higher and higher and higher. And uh the last thing and one layer I want to put in there, Canada25:52
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sits on this vast riches and it seems to be squandered when you have people like the Polish ambassador kind of laughing at Canada where we sell our LNG to the26:01
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United States and they turn around, flip it for a profit and then sell it to the Poland to Poland. Um how is Carney pulling this off?26:11
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I don't think um I don't know if the Canadian voter is uniquely out of it. Um26:18
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I I I mean maybe we've always been this out of it and this susceptible uh to sort of a guy in a suit speaking like a26:27
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central banker. Um but the consequences are just higher now because the incompetence has gotten so bad. Um, so I26:34
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I think the one thing you could blame on Justin Trudeau, um, is I think even prior liberal governments, prior26:42
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conservative governments, um, they had they they thought they had to maintain a certain level of competency. Uh, otherwise they would be punished for the voters. Uh, so they could be corrupt.26:52
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Uh, they could be duplicitous. Um, but there had to be a base level of managing26:59
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the country that was kept intact. Um, I I think one thing that Justin Trudeau explored was just the extremes of how27:07
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little you can do, how little you could accomplish, uh, and the differential between announcing something and then not doing that thing whatsoever. Um, a27:17
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problem being presented to you, picking the the one solution that does the least but sounds like it's doing something. I27:24
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mean, that that that very much was a defining characteristic of the last few years of Justin Trudeau's reign. So I think there's I mean Carney's cabinet is27:33
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essentially the same as Trudeau's cabinet. Um ever since 2019 when sort of the the mallet is really kicked in for27:41
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Trudeau's liberal government. Uh it was this understanding that oh we don't actually have to do anything. Um I mean27:48
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reality will come eventually. I'm not sure what that trigger will be. um usually when uh yeah the the trigger27:56
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that will eventually turn Canadians against this government because all of the things they think he's doing uh are just obviously not being done and the28:04
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conditions are getting worse. One one exercise I would I would ask people to engage in uh is pick your friend um who28:13
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has an expertise say in building you know talk to your construction worker friend u talk to your friend uh in the oil industry talk to your cop or or28:20
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lawyer friend uh and then ask them in their specific realm what needs to be done to bring down crime, what needs to28:28
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be done on housing affordability, what needs to be done on actually boosting um oil production or whatever. And in28:36
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almost all cases, this person who's in the inside will say, "Well, here's three levers that are pretty easy to pull that would fix these." And they'll never name28:44
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anything that's actually being done uh by the Carne government. Um so, uh I I think eventually um reality will win.28:54
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People will realize uh what he's saying is not being matched by reality. I'm not sure what the trigger moment will be uh that convince people of that. That could29:02
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be the utter collapse of Kisma. this could be another sovereign debt crisis.29:06
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Uh, who knows? Um, it's it's always difficult uh particularly now to predict what the breaking point is for Canadians.29:16
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And to me, I bring it back to because his his base is definitely the uh boomers, the older people that are still watching more than ever before. This is29:25
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the craziest thing that uh I've ever seen uh that when you have these polls where everyone under the age of 60 would29:33
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vote in a conservative majority government if uh I mean maybe that's changed a bit lately but for months and months and months and months.29:40
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No country has ever experienced that. I mean, maybe some weird era in South American politics, but that the fact that the average 80year-old is more29:49
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likely to vote liberal than the average 19-year-old. And the well, the average 19-year-old is more likely to vote conservative than the average 80-year-old. I don't think that's ever happened in the history of our country.29:59
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Um, so any go.30:00
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And that's what it brings me back to the the people still watching CBC, which is an, you know, an ever decreasing uh population. I mean, fewer and fewer30:08
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people are watching that, but that that group is still watches and they seem to be not informed as to what the reality30:15
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is. And I think that goes back in, right? Yeah.30:18
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Yeah. They're also insulated from the reality. Uh so if you your house is paid off, uh you have an inflation adjust30:26
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adjusted pension. um you're not riding public transit, uh you're not trying to find a job, um you know, you haven't30:33
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gone downtown since, you know, 2003 when you had tickets to the ballet, uh whatever. Um you you have I I think Canada more than almost any other30:42
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western country just has a particularly large cohort of people who don't have to engage with reality and it's easy for30:49
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them to to not understand uh a lot of these problems at the sharp end.30:53
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Yeah. And then that and this show and I started about a year ago and it's taken off because I think people are looking for independent media. They're starting31:00
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to turn to independent media for more answers to to yourself and to Sam Coopers and and you know like Holly Don and Black Locks. All those things are31:08
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getting very much higher. Well, what worries us is when we see especially Mark Miller coming out and saying, you know, like we need to social cohesion,31:16
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we need to put more in the CBC and and they're going to start blocking Holly donut blacks from even getting FOIs in information. I think that's worrisome31:25
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for Canadians because they seem to really want to control media and they they've made statements about X many times too because I'm sure you get a lot31:33
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of information on X as most Canadians that have much of a you know like world news comes on X. I mean, people like Camela Harris declare their, you know, that they they concede on X first.
